|
INDIAN: It is ok with me if you have reached the conclusion you wanted to reach. First up, nationalism is a virtue and essence of a nation; not their immorality. If I am here with any nationalist point of view, so are you with your nationalist point of view. In fact, your nationalism is perhaps more conspicious since you are spending time on a Pakistani website delivering a sermon to Pakistanis. Please do not forget that you are from a country accused of secession and even genocide, mostly in context from imperialism to hindu nationalism. Hence, your argument about nationalism holds no moral basis. Nationalism can be a weak argument on my part if I compare Pakistan with the US and that too because US happens to be more multinational. Now, to your dismal story that paints a bleak picture of Pakistan. Pakistan can break and Pakistan can be formed again; that is precisely not the point. The point is to raise an awareness and point out the deficiencies that the system in Pakistan faces. My point of being here is not because I am dying for Pakistan to face the reality, but to counter the false picture that your media and your anchors are painting all across the world. Anjan is a typical example of such an individual who has no substance in his postings and they are blatant written proofs of the racists view he holds about Pakistanis. He has repeatedly challenged the candor of the nation with his prejudice comments and called for eradication of Pakistani institutions such as the military. Note that this is the military that is fighting a war on Afghan border so that U.S. does not have to face a grim situation at home. Now that, to the article you pointed out to me. It is widely known fact that Pakistan supported Taliban until the U.S. war on terror started. Pakistan shifted sides and went against the Taliban. Do you not expect even a small fraction of individuals, that by the way hold no authority, to have any sympathies towards those they stood with to fight the Soviets? What ridiculous example is that? At a time when Pakistan is fighting the talibans, the official policy of Pakistan, wouldn't such claims undermine the very existence of the state? If the Indian army, which by the way is also infiltrated with possible terrorists (example of which was an arrest of two indivual who allegedly gave SIM cards to the Mumbai terrorists) comes across an individual that threatens to send confidential information on the role in destabilization of the the region, wouldn't such a person be eliminated? The evidence that you provided is in fact common sense. A person that undermines the foreign policy of a country in order to destabilize it is eliminated. There are countless of examples of such individuals in the world. And since written articles, aparently, are proofs enough to legitimize an uncalled war, and since you have a personal preference for Dawn, I would like you to read the following articles there as well:
http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/31/top5.htm.
As for my pride, I am proud to be an American with a Pakistani heritage. I work sincerely for this country; the country where I reside in. No hidden agenda and accepting to all religions and all races. But I am also proud of the country, that gave my fathers and grand fathers a chance to be successful in their respective lives. The same country that people like Anjan call "terrorist state". Hence, I don't think I am in need of any advices or any suggestions on ego or satiation. What I do think is important is that you give the same lesson to those who, deliberately, use the word "Terrorist nation" with the word "Pakistan". Lastly, again, writing in caps only bold your default argument. Fail.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 18, 2008 10:30:03 PM
|
|
|
|
@AHMED R
buddy u know what??i hav reached a conclusion..and which is that noone can make u realize anything as is clearly evident by ur reply..u r overflowing with nationalistic fervour and sentiment and i hav no problem with that but this overdose has overshadowed the liberal and realistic view hidden deep inside in u since it(view) presents a very grim, dull and dangerous picture of ur country (which is getting radicalzed day by day) and therefore hurts ur EGO and u find urself at the recieving end and this is the last thing u want ESPECIALLY when u r pitted AGAINST INDIA...u accuse us indians of "escaping from the reality" but my friend u r also sailing in the same boat or rather gone ahead otherwise a moderate, educated pakistani like u wudnt hav been denial by now especially when the whole world is ringing alarm bells...u again misunderstood my post, as u hav been doing in ANJANs case,and went on a high temp nationalistic pitch only to come with another typical india-pakistan tit for tat kind of reply...but my friend u hav to realise that the situation is much more grave this time.. afterall its a question of ur country's survival god damnit!!ur denial is a fucking big slap to the hopes of all those poor pakistanis who r fed up by the exploitation they hav sufferred under a slew of corrupt/selfish/subservient dictators and think that the youth of this nation will bring a new dawn.. the phoenix will reoriginate from the ashes nomatter what... its quite easy to make nationalistic statements sitting thousand miles away but very difficult to face the situation and do something for ur nation which badly needs u at this time...buddy i am again reminding u that r many problems in india perhaps more than there r in pakistan but we as people/citizens of our country are working hard to bring our country back to the position it deserves and we r already seeing the results... but what r u doing as a citizen?? just living a cozy life of denial in US and blaming others for everyother mishap??it will do nothing but satisfy ur false hollow ego/"national pride" and ,mark my words, u will REGRET when u will see ur country being tore apart(its already being wounded) by the forces of evil.. simply showing us our loop holes takes u nowhere and neither it unburdens u of the big responsibilty at ur hand.. so again my advice is pls wake up now.. WAKE UP not for the america's, not for india or anybody else but for ur own country's sake for god sake....lastly when u proudly say that u believe in evidence and not fantasy i just wanna say one thing that neither i am a RAW official nor u r an ISI official and we all know what our SOURCES are so when u r engaged in digging history pls remember that u were probably havent been either born or were a kid at that time... and so ur propoganda also stands null and void in this regard...or if u r an ISI/army member then its a different thing.. so buddy pls cm out of this accept if not indias view then atleast the world view... BUT AGAIN IF U WANT EVIDENCE THEN HERE IS THIS LINK(BELOW) to an ARTICLE ON ONE OF UR COUNTRY'S MOST PRESTIGIOUS PAPER DAWN'S WEBSITE..I HOPE I will be ABLE TO LITTLE BIT SATISFY UR EVERLASTING THIRST FOR EVIDENCE AFTER THIS.. AND PLS REMEMBER MY LIMITATIONS SINCE I AM NOT A RAW/CIA OR EVEN ISI OFFICIAL... [http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/world/naipaul-seeks-to-unravel-maj-gen-alavi-murder--qs]
|
| Posted By:
indian
|
December 16, 2008 01:18:01 PM
|
|
|
|
@Indian: Everyone is free to have their point of view and whether anyone accepts or rejects someone else’s point of view is a choice that they make. Therefore, it should be admissible to you as it should be admissible to all of us to pinpoint what we think is a weak link in your arguments. You raised several points in your argument.
1) How can you possibly not be waging a war against Pakistani people when day and night your media plays bogus aggression against the state of Pakistan? How can you not be in a state of war against Pakistanis when you call them the “epicenter of terrorism” and forget that it is Afghanistan that is the “true epicenter of terrorism”? Are you unable to comprehend that Pakistan is a “victim of terrorism” and not an “epicenter of terrorism”? Are you unable to fathom the realities of Afghanistan and how it has been the true “epicenter of terrorism”, thankfully so, created by nearsighted war mongers of the 80s and not ISI? Especially in the west, your media has, time and time again, pinpointed Pakistan by the word “terrorist state” in order to undermine the country for your minor political gains? How can you be not in a state of war against Pakistan when you blame the current government as well as the military of links to terrorists and talk about possibility of war? Many Indians and ANJAN’s stand can be read in his previous posts. First he clearly called out the “Nation of Pakistan” and alluded whether there was anything that the nation could be proud of. He then, without any rigorous proofs, went on to blame ISI, Military, General Kiani as well as former military officials for terrorist activities in Mumbai. If this is not directed to the Pakistani nation, then what is? Blaming a terrorist incident on an established and world’s 6th biggest army is obviously an insult to the nation, and that too without any substantial evidences of involvement of the army chief General Kiani. If demonizing the “state of Pakistan” in your media, which I accept is bigger than Pakistan’s media, is not undermining the nation of Pakistan then what is? First your media plays its mumbo-jumbo about Pakistan and then you come back to say you are not waging a war against the Pakistani nation. Does it not show the two set of rules you go by?
2) Everyone likes to talk about involvement of ISI with the politics but why is that you overlook the fact that there is not a single intelligence agency in the world that is not involved in regional or world politics? So why is that when they fight the Soviets they are called heros of 20th century and “Great Mujahideens” but when they fight the west they are called “terrorist agency”? Are those not double standards? Why is it that you blame Pakistan for helping groups like LT and JM but everyone overlooks how the west created “Freedom fighters” in the 80s who are now in a state of war with Pakistan, killing innocent day and night? Are we not bearing the brunt of terrorist attacks? You like to talk about General Hameed but it is the same guy who was hailed by the west as the mastermind of Soviet war? So don’t you see the double standards that Pakistani officials and nation is enduring?
3) I like not to point out the terrorist activities within India. I sincerely believe they are India’s internal matter and obviously, the portal is for Pakistan, hence I have no comment to your mention of internal political and terrorist activities inside India.
However, I do like to laugh at point of view like yours about India being this big diverse country with everyone living in peace and prosperity. Apparently, when everyone in the world thinks of U.S. being the most diverse state, Indians like to think of India being this jewel. This is only because you have not seen what it takes for a country to bring everyone together under the same umbrella and give equal, basic human rights regardless of religion, race and heritage. Your country will never even come close to the standards that some of the western and far eastern countries have set when it comes to being righteous and fair. Since you mentioned the Muslims of India, I can tell you that to this day, after spending last 10 years in the west, I have yet to meet a single Indian Muslim who has had the opportunity to attend a prestigious western educational institution in order to enjoy the same lavish lifestyle like the hindu elite or even the Muslims from Pakistan do. Why is it that a country so diverse with “lush lifestyle for everyone” has differences so notable that it almost cracks everyone when India is called “the diverse state”. This is clearly an example of how flawed your thinking is when you think of Pakistan as an “epicenter of terrorism” when the Muslims of Pakistan are so much better off everywhere in the world than the Muslims from India. You like to talk a lot about the ISI and the army, can you please forward concrete proofs of involvement of our military in any terrorist activities inside your country? Your flawed and absolute lies about our military and ISI being involved in Mumbai is no different than your military’s and RAW’s involvement in Balochistan and NWFP. The only reason I like to ignore it is because I set higher standards for myself by laying down my argument on evidences, unlike yours that are purely based on your fantasia and what your media shoves down your throat. Now that you and Mr Anjan were unable to link the Pakistani military’s link to Mumbai bombings, you jumped all of a sudden to the link of Pakistani soil. Why is that Indians cry day and night about Mumbai bombings when day to day there are bombings on Pakistani soil from the soil of Afghanistan, helped by plenty of your embassies right off of Pakistani border?
Now I agree with one point of yours. Terrorism serves neither yours nor Pakistani purpose. However, when your media and your analysts are unable to differentiate between the Pakistani state and those who like to fight for no reason whatsoever, then of course, there will be a counter reaction from the Pakistanis. Do you expect Pakistanis to just wipe their bleeding nose and sit tight?
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 14, 2008 09:51:52 PM
|
|
|
|
hey AHMED R..its u not me who badly needs to bring a little bit of sanity in his thought process..and i don wanna prove any point to u cos its of no use as is already being seen by poor ANJAN's whole hearted and sincere efforts to vindicate his stand but all in vein..it seems to me as if u r a bit confused and doesnt really understand our POV.. so let me put it again to u...1.) firstly we r not waging a war against the pakistani people as u r sayin, what we r pointing is towards the jihadi and extremists elements in ur society which are equally dangerous for u as they r for us and u know also know that..2.)The ARMY-ISI-LET nexus is well known and has been pointed to regularly by india and now the whole world including china acknowledges it.. even your president zardari has said that " there USED TO BE a link" between the ISI and these groups but now things hav changed..this is a very big and strong statement cming from the PRESIDENT of ur country wich points to the fact that ISI indeed has played a role in strengthening of these groups which now hav the expertise to carry out such sophisticated attacks like the one in bombay...and not to mention the open support of Mr hamid gul(EX DG ISI)for taliban etcetc(WATCH HIS INTERVIEW WITH FAREED ZAKARIA GPS ON YOUTUBE)which he says is precisely the reason why america is tryin to sideline him by declaring him an international terrorist...
3.)YES we hav our own home grown terror groups like the ULFA, NAXALS and fringe elements like the RSS, SHIV SENA or the "HINDU TERRORISTS" as u may like to call them and nobody denies that... but u must understand the fact that their ideology ,scope, reach and
aim,propoganda or whatever is quite different from the ones that u r harbouring...
ULFA/naxals- they all are seperatist groups mostly consisting of poor peasants who are terribly poor and mariginalized and so take out their frustration against the gov by carrying out small blasts or sometimes big in the northeast regions of india...
RSS/SHIVSENA-- yes these are anti muslim organisations and are reponsible for the acts such as the GUJARAT RIOTS but as the previous they also don hav the required capability to conduct such an attack
and when there is no logic for it and also when all of whatever activities they hav carried out in the past were directed against the muslims be it the SAMJHOTA EXPRESS, GUJARAT RIOTS, BABRIMASJID so why wud they target the israelis,the americans, the british the elite indians in the taj, oberoi.. WHY??? what wud they get out of it ??? and do u think parties like BJP the main opposition party will allow that given if exposed and caught will prove suicidal for them and their political carrer given the outrage of the indian people .. and pls don support the rubbish that its a move to become a superpower as mr AQ says which defies every logic and also the "BIG CONSPIRACY" of RAW-IB-INDIAN MILITARY to suppress pakistan..btw why did u leave the main congress gov.. plssss include them in the trioka also ...now the difference between them and ur groups is that all these except RSS don hav anything to do with the muslims and hence pakistan and even RSS though their intention might be don hav the reach to carry out such activities in pakistan and so the point is that all our problems are our own and don spill over to our neighbouring countries..now the ideology of ur groups which is shared by almost all the pakistanis nomatter what strata of society they cm from pops out from the "HATRED feeling AGaINST INDIA due to violence in KASHMIR"in particular and muslims(indian) in general ...but for these jihadis/extremists this is not really the case as they treat it mainly as a fodder or scapegoat to convert young muslims in to jihadis to accomplish their larger agenda ie destruction of humanity and creating chaos... and as for ur civil society i must say that though u may support a part of their ideology but do u really support their means??? and it is precisely those people in ur ISI, ARMY who support their ideology, objective and also their means that we point to...also i don deny that there is no HUMAN RIGHTS violation in kashmir, there may hav many but who is responsible for this..to some extent the indian political establishment who is i don know why is so interested in kashmir when its people don even want to live with us and carry pakistan in their heart.. perhaps they(political leaders) always thought and think that they can rectify this problem by bringing these people in to the mainstream and by economically uplifting them and that is why KASHMIR is one of those states which get the maximum aid from the centre.. and there is another reasonfor it which is that our political elite think that "liberation of kashmir" as u may call will propogate some of the already running freedom struggle movements in other parts of the contry and hence will lead to the disintegration of the india... also when u say that india is hypocritical when it boasts of being secular on one hand and suppresses it minorities on the other ,i must say to u that its not particular to the muslims only, a large section of hindu population (remember the farmer suicides, the RAJ THACKERAY FIASCO, THE NAXALS, ULFA ) r very poor and marginalised, suppressed when they r the majority and there is no hatred against them as in case of muslims as u say ..so hatred against muslims though prevalent in some sections of our society is not that big a reason for their condition as u people make it out to be... afterall KHANS rule the BOLLYWOOD, OUR FORMER PRESIDENT dr APJ ABDUL KALAM (one of our most loved and respected president) is a muslim and there are many such examples which prove this..but even after such complex as a society u must appreciate the fact we r still a "unity in diversity" and worlds second fastest growing economy when u much small a country, purely ISLAMIC are on the verge of being declared a FAILED STATE and also an "epicenter of terrorism"... sorry its a bit harsh but this is the reality unless something serious is being done... now back to the violence in kashmir..so talking abt the reasons , the other reason much bigger accdording to me for this r some fringe people in ur army, ISI, etc who predominantly occupied this anti-indian ideology propogated these Terrorists/"FREEDOM FIGHTERS" and then diverted them to across the border in IOK and used them as their,behind the scenes, weapon to achieve their ultimate aim and india in return launched a massive counter-insurgency campaign to thwart their designs and the people(poor kashmiris) who were supposed to be getting benefitted from this became the ultimate sufferers...result: many innocents kashmiris lost their lives, childrens got killed, women became widows...and it is still this anti hindu/ anti indian ideology which is taking innocent lives whether in kashmir or in delhi/ mumbai/ bangalore/ ahmedabad etc... yes i agree that we hav almost failed to bring the majority of our muslims in to the main stream and thats why u shud agree with me that most of them(only the non-educated ) hav a soft corner for pakistan and this is what irritates the fringe hindus like RSS, shiv SENA who therefore consider them their enemies...but this(bringing muslims in to mainstream) is a long process, it will take time with indias economy growing but pls allow us to do that... and so when some jihadi groups in ur country who don want to see a prosperous india carry activities to destabilize the already distorted social fabric of our country that irritates us to the pinnacle and so the anger in our media or in our society is justified and when u talk abt our activities in afghanistan it is precisely for this reason only ,the elements of hostility around us, and therefore we hav the right to defend us in every possible way we can...so my friend pls don be in denial and accept the truth that yes this horrendous attack against humanity was carried out from ur soil given even ur channels like geo, dawn hav accepted this and also we r looking inwards and gov of india stated it very early that such an attack caant happen without the support of local elements and we hav also arrested two local people in this regard but to say that everything was carried out by locals only and india is cooking a conspiracy and stuff like that is utter rubbish and reflects shear ignorance... AND PLS DON TAKE IT AS IF I AM TRYING TO PROVE THAT INDIA IS GOOD/ INNOCENT AND PAKISTAN IS BAD... WE R NOT SAINTS AND NEITHER WE OUGHT TO SO CALL US HYPOCRITES, CRUEL, WHATEVER U MAY LIKE BUT IN THE PRESENT CONTEXT DON BE IN DENIAL COS IT NEITHER SERVES UR PURPOSE NEITHER OURS....
|
| Posted By:
indian
|
December 14, 2008 02:34:51 PM
|
|
|
|
@Indian: Moronic views, racist thoughts, full of hatred, No point in the postings. Fail.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 13, 2008 10:29:02 PM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: Perhaps you have been ignoring my postings. You have NOT given any conceivable evidence or any shown any rigorous sense of logic to support your accusations that relates the Pakistani Military, ISI or the government in Mumbai incidents. You have merely proved nothing. Terrorism has been in the region for a long time. Pakistan itself has suffered much more than India with terrorism. Except for your senseless biased views and your racist thoughts directed towards Pakistanis, you have yet to prove a Pakistani state/military link that would legitimize your war against the Pakistani people. Pathetic try.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 13, 2008 10:25:54 PM
|
|
|
|
According to some reliable sources some people who are involved in cross border smuggling recently included Ajmal Ammer Qasab in their group. Ajmal was unemployed and a very poor man and left his home, they were on a weakly trip to India where they were arrested by Indian BSF from Indian Shahdara junction and now Indian agencies are using him against Pakistan to pressurize Pakistan internationally the whole fucking media specially MI-6 pay roll BBC is rubbing their ass on the dicks of Indians. So, the followers of hypocrite, guile and piss drinking CHANAKIYA are now using arrested smuggler against Pakistan by their dirty techniques like torturing or greed.
|
| Posted By:
Muhammad Amir
|
December 12, 2008 02:09:02 PM
|
|
|
|
Piss drinking Indians are threatening the Muslims of Pakistan. Let me start with some history of Hindus and then I will tell you about the general comments of people. We have almost ruled 1000 years on Hindus. Our "Ajdad(Ancestors)" knew that Hindus are only good at dancing, singing and drum beating(Tabalchee) and this is probably why our ancestor Mughal monarchs have limited Hindus to these activities(i.e. drum beating, dancing and singing). Our Mughal king at that time Shehan shah Akbar married to "Joudha Bai" who belongs to the top caste "Souraj Bansi" of the bravest "Rajput" faction of Hindus, now, if you can link this scenario to the faith of Hindus which says that "Muslaman ka saya bhi hindu par parnay say hindu napak(bharasht) ho jata hay" then you can complete the whole picture by yourself. Our Mujahid at that time "Ahmed Shah Abdali(Rehmatullah-e-Allih)" has defeated Raja Jay Chand(La'anatullah-e-Allih{curse of Allah on him}) 4 times, every time Jay Chand washed the foots of Abdali and in return Abdali released him from prison. If I were Abdali, I would order Manmohan Singh, Asok Chaturvedi, Parnab Mukharjee, ChudamBaram and bollywood babes to suck my long dick and feel the strength of my sperm. These are just two incidents out of hundreds of similar incidents which can be quoted here. As far as Kashmir issue is concerned, I would like to tell all of you that Pakistani establishment are not supporting Kashmir freedom movement for last 10 years because they are busy in fucking with swine American sperm drinking crusaders. Had the Pakistani Establishment supported Jehad-e-Kashmir, I bet, we would have liberated it from piss drinking Hindus back in 2003. Finally, I want to tell all sick Hindus who visit this forum that you can never defeat Muslims of Pakistan unless you find some bugtis, mujeeb-ur-rehmans, mir jafers and mir sadiqs because we Muslims especially Pakistanis are marshal race (i.e. Jangjou Quom). We will fuck you so hard that you cannot even afford to have a surgery of your ass from America/Russia/Israel. I also want to share something with all of you that I and other activists at college have distributed 317 pamphlets to students of different levels we were returned 293 filled forms and all of these 293 students were prepared to fuck Indians and out of these 293 there were 129 girls. Majority of the students even said that they are willing to perform suicide attacks on Hindu forces if they are asked to do so. So, piss drinking Hindus don't take Panga with us otherwise we will make you nanga and we would left not a single hole on your body from putting out drilling dicks. I am sorry for using this type of language but it is a need of time.
|
| Posted By:
Muhammad Amir
|
December 12, 2008 01:59:07 PM
|
|
|
|
TERRORISTS ACCORDING TO WHOM??? U?? HAHAHAHA ..
U DON EVEN SPARE UR PRESIDENT AND CALL HIM A TERRORIST OR AMERICAN AGENT, WHO FOR ME IS PERHAPS THE MOST SANE PERSON IN UR COUNTRY...U GUYS ARE ACTUALLY SANOPHOBIC, A TERM DEVISED BY ME, WHICH CLASSIFIES PERSONS WHO HATE SANITY AND HAV A PHOBIA AROUND IT...FOR U A TERRORIST IS A PERSON WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN UR RADICAL ISLAMIST RIDICULOUS IDEOLOGY...U PEOPLE R MORE GUILTY THAN THOSE POOR CHAPS WHO R BRAINWASHED BY THESE RADICAL ISLAMIC ANIMALS SINCE THEY R MOSTLY ILLITERATE AND DON HAV THE ABILITY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD AND BECOME AN EASY PREY FOR THEM.. BUT U LITERATE FOOLS... IF U HAV SUCH THINKING THEN ONLY GOD CAN SAVE UR COUNTRY... AND BTW FIRST GET UR LIST OF SO CALLED "HINDU TERRORISTS" APPROVED BY U.N LIKE WE DID OTHERWISE NO ONE IS EVEN GONNA PISS ON IT...HAHAHAHA...SHAME...
|
| Posted By:
indian
|
December 12, 2008 12:08:51 PM
|
|
|
|
its of no use ANJAN since nobody will now reply to ur comments or rather u will find ur comments getting deleted...where r u guys????hiding in ur bills or what?? don hav the courage to bear the shame u COWARDS!!... but wait a minute!! I really forgot that u toh r simply shameless creatures... u must be waiting for ur master AQ to come up with another unique, intellectually stimulating CONSPIRACY THEORY.. right na...AQ if u r listening pls HURRY UP!! UR KIDS ARE WAITING FOR U.. THEY DESPERATELY NEED UR HELP... HAHAHAHA...
|
| Posted By:
indian
|
December 12, 2008 11:34:56 AM
|
|
|
|
Also read what your credible newspapers are saying. "During the course of Dawn’s own investigations last week our reporters were able to locate a family who claimed to be the kin of the arrested young man in Mumbai.
The sole survivor among the 10 attackers was named as Ajmal Kasab and was supposed to belong to the village Faridkot in the Punjab. Media organisations such as the BBC and now the British newspaper Observer have done reports trying to ascertain the veracity of claims appearing in the media that the young man had a home there." However, the man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.
For the next few minutes, the fifty-something man of medium build agonized over the reality that took time sinking in, amid sobs complaining about the raw deal the fate had given him and his family.
“I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself it could not have been my son,” he told Dawn in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village of about 2,500 people just a few kilometres from Deepalpur on the way to Kasur. “Now I have accepted it.
“This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper. THIS IS MY SON AJMAL.”
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 11, 2008 11:18:27 PM
|
|
|
|
India-Mickey Mouse Country. Good one! Ahahahaha.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 11, 2008 01:59:55 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: You are unable to fathom my postings and the political issues of the region I have raised, As I have pointed out in the history of Afghanistan, Hameed Gul and "Mujahideens" were called "heros of 20th century" by Reagon. Need I say more? Need I cram this fact down your throat just like your media is shoving down all the lies it can gather out of its bollywood style rhetoric? How do you know world media is uncoverming the truth? Is your world made up of India and some western right wing networks? There are plenty other places in the world including the U.S. that recognize your dirty game. This is the same lunatic mentality that let Bush nowhere with Iraq, what makes you think it will lead you anywhere? I appreciate if we look fools to you but correct me if I am wrong it is you who has, time and time again, changed his opinions about Mumbai bombings issue. Just a few posts back, you were gloating about a Karachi commando Unit, ISI and Kiani being involved in the bombings. Did that just fall off of the roof? Who's face is in the mud? You were the one posting your mumbo-jumbo about Pakistani government/ISI/Army and specifically Kiani being involved. What proof have you produced of that claim? 9/11 hijackers were all from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The U.S. did not go wild attacking the respective countries and their countrymen. What makes you put the blame on Pakistani nation with your prejudiced views? You like to compare yourself and your evonomy to the U.S., yet you neglect the basic foundation that makes a country like the U.S. and many others substantially different than yours. Unfortunately, your arguments hold no weight whatsoever because they spit out the racism you carry for Pakistanis and Muslims in general. Perhaps in your world, all Pakistanis are thieves; understandable since Pakistan and India are arch rivals, but again this thought of yours is based on your xenophobic and narrow minded bias. While I have said before that there are elements in the region that are common enemies of U.S. and Pakistan, why is it that your country likes to stick its nose in Afghanistan's and Pakistan's business? It makes it moronic on your part to run around squawking like a 6 year old child if you are bombed. Pakistan has seen 100s of these bombings. Out world renowned leader was brutally murdered in such incidents. What makes your blood so much more important than Pakistanis? All your postings here are completely based on your emotions, racism, anger and rage about Pakistani nation and they all reflective of your position. When you have concrete arguments to bring to the table, then you are most welcome. Otherwise, you can carry on your ignorance.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 8, 2008 09:35:46 PM
|
|
|
|
@Indian: Do we all agree that Mr. "Indian"'s comments are... well.. illiterate and racist?
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 8, 2008 09:24:09 PM
|
|
|
|
ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES MUST WITHDRAW FROM THE U.N. WE NEED OUR OWN UIN (UNITED ISLAMIC NATIONS) AND WE SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN DEFINITION OF TERRORISM.
|
| Posted By:
Rohail Khan
|
December 8, 2008 02:26:52 AM
|
|
|
|
@ANJAN: Just because USA will declare Pakistan a terrorist nation, does not really make us terrorist. My definition of terrorism is: Anyone talking against Pakistan or ISI is a terrorist. So according to my definition of terrorism ANJAN, even you are a terrorist.
|
| Posted By:
Rohail Khan
|
December 8, 2008 02:22:11 AM
|
|
|
|
@ANJAN: According to American definition of terrorism anyone talking against America or Israel can be considered a terrorist. So according to this definition every Islamic country can be declared a terrorist state.
|
| Posted By:
Rohail Khan
|
December 8, 2008 02:14:44 AM
|
|
|
|
CIA will first use you, and when their nefarious objectives are achieved, they'll overthrow you. That's what they did to Saddam Hussein. That's what they did to Muhammad reza Pavlavi. That's what they did to General Zia. That's what they did to Osama bin Laden. That's what they're trying to do to the taliban. That's what they're now trying to do to Pakistan. That's what they're now trying to do to ISI. Time has come for the U.N to declare CIA a terrorist organization.
|
| Posted By:
Rohail Khan
|
December 8, 2008 02:01:12 AM
|
|
|
|
@ANJAN: Not just Hamid Gul, but also all the other patriotic pakistanis who are either talking against America, or India. Hamid Gul knows that the real threat to Pakistan is India, and not Taliban or Al-qaeda. Taliban operating in Pakistan who are blowing up schools etc are not the real pre-9/11 taliban. These taliban are supported by RAW/CIA who are trying to put bad image of the real true taliban. LeT is an anti-India organization and India is the arch enemy of Pakistan so I'd suggest our government to do nothing about it.
Hamid Gul is my hero and I love him. Pakistan should:
1: put U.S and Indian government on the Axis Of Liar list.
2: declare India a terrorist state.
3: ask OIC to declare CIA a terrorist organization and that it must be banned.
3: ask OIC to declare George W. Bush a warmonger and should be put on trial.
4: ask OIC to declare Israel an illegitimate state and that it has no right exist.
5: finally, ASK ALL THE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES TO SCREW "United Nations Charter" and WITHDRAW FROM U.N SINCE U.N JUST REPRESENTS USA.
Long Live Pakistan, Pakistan Army and ISI (specially General Hamid Gul).
|
| Posted By:
Rohail Khan
|
December 8, 2008 01:52:54 AM
|
|
|
|
@AHMED R - Personal attacks - Do you recall you wrote at the end of the article - Pathetic try. Hence I assumed with you, this would be par for course. Anyway - 1) YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED ABOUT THE SACKING OF THE ISI CHIEFS AND THE FACT THAT HAMID GUL IS ABOUT TO BE PLACED AS AN INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST. And after people straining there voices here that the captured terrorist was not a Pakistani - the world media is uncovering the truth at last. Why do you guys say something off the cuff only to time and again come back and look like fools for shooting off the hip too fast. Anyway given that a thief is not going to ever say that he committed a crime - we can understand the denials coming from Pakistan. oh -- it seems the Army has started rounding off some Laskhar e Taiba and Jamaatud Dawa "terrorists" - sorry students you might say. Why is that happening?
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 8, 2008 01:38:14 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: So now that you are unable to defend your rhetoric, you have decided to throw personal attacks. Until resolute proofs are not handed over to Pakistan that show transparently that Pakistan Govt/Civil society/military (DG ISI & Kiani) were involved in the attack, you can gloat all you want. Perhaps your memory has only served you last few years in the world. Therefore, let me take you a few more years back in history. All of the so called "terrorists" were trained by the west in early 80s to fight Soviet Union. They were funded and given training on foreign soil to fight a conventional warfare as well as guerrilla warefare. Back then, they were branded "mujahideens". Ofcourse, when you plant roots of a tree not expecting any thorns, then blaming others only shows the blunder on your part. Now that I have answered that question of yours, let me also answer the oblivious question you raised about Musharraf. The hub of terrorism is Afghanistan and not Pakistan. There is a difference. If you think for a second that anything that happens in a state is not going to affect its neighbors, especially when they are involved in regional politics, then its your naiveness. The west left all the mess in Afghanistan to Pakistan in the late 80s, and Pakistan kept it quiet all during the 90s. As I have said before, there will be no peace in Afghanitan without the help of Pakistan. Now, if you think India's involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not going to affect its politics in anyway, then I think I don't have to point out the curtain wall beyond which your brain is unable comperehend. Excuse me sir, but nations are not built upon 4 or a few thousand individuals. This only shows that your comments are all based on your emotions and rage and are racists in nature, let alone being prudent. If you step out of your little mice's hole over there, you will realize that there is more to Pakistani nation than just what your media is shoving down your throat. As for secret service, every secret service in the world is a terrorist organization to other nations. Simply because it works against everyone else's interest. Therefore, crying about a secret service's activities is like crying out loud as to why you were not given a third hand so you could scratch yourself while having food with the other two. So your label of ISI being a terrorist organization only shows obsolete and outdated knowledge about politics on your part. Lastly I will point out again, writing in caps only shows the fragility of your emotional thoughts that are based on your madness and ferocity. Next.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 7, 2008 09:13:07 AM
|
|
|
|
@AHMED R - While you are thinking of cogent ways to reply, include in this fact too - 4 people belonging to ISI will be named as international terrorist including HAMID GUL. Factor this reality (even if may seem hypothetical at this moment to you - but do give a scenario when you reply). A NATION YOU CAN BE PROUD OF - AN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE THAT HAS MORE TERRORISTS THAN INTELLIGENCE AGENTS - PATHETIC. WHAT A NATION?
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 7, 2008 07:27:32 AM
|
|
|
|
@AHMED R - The proof of "packets of conversation", exact node from where the deccan muj letter was sent, Lashkar numbers which were called is being prepared in a dossier and will be presented to Pakistan. And maybe this will be endorsed by the intelligence agencies of USA / UK / France / Israel - to give it weightage. Till then, let us wait.
Probably you want to be naive, so be it. On the days following Mumbai blasts - 60 people were abducted from Peshawar - mostly retired Army officers and family members of ANP (you used to speak for them at one point - now your silence on atrocities on ANP is defeaning). IF PAKISTAN IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRORISM AROUND THE WORLD INCL. PAKISTAN CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THESE ISI HEADS WERE SACKED (JAVED NASIR, HAMID GUL, MAHMOOD AHMED)- not taking names of others too who were sacked but those were mostly based on "other" considerations. PROBABLY YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT THAT FATEFUL DAY POST 9/11 WHEN AIRPORTS IN PAKISTAN WERE ON RED ALERT AND FLIGHTS WERE CANCELLED - AND THE VERY NEXT DAY PREZ MUSHARRAF PLEDGED SUPPORT TO USA. Why bother or be scared into doing something if you are not responsible?
AND LASTLY MY DEAR AHMED R - PROBABLY YOU ARE NOT AWARE AND I CANNOT BLAME YOU - YOUR ARMY HAS EMBEDDED ITS SOLDIERS IN THE RANKS OF TALIBAN, AL-QAEDA, LeT etc - FOR PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY OF OPERATIONS. For a picture of ISI - Al Qaeda joint operations do read this post of mine in : http://bengalunderattack.blogspot.com/2008/12/isi-al-qaeda-terror-groups-we-are.html COUNTER ME THERE BY SAYING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ... YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON OPS OF YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT A VIRTUE OF FLASHING "FALSE BRAVADO" RIDING ON THIN ICE. Poor .... coming from you.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 7, 2008 07:00:10 AM
|
|
|
|
@ANJAN: Following are my answers to the questions you raised:
1) A GPS device alone is technically not considered a cogent proof in a lawful investigation. The reason being development of software interface by a human individual who creates the graphical user interface. A solid proof in this case would be actual transactions via satellite database that the GPS devices uses to obtain coordinates. Hence, not only is it ignorant but also senseless to go by history preserved in only the GPS.
2) Again, phone call log on a piece of hardware is not a staunch proof. Since it was known to be a satellite phone, satellite database would be required to acquire actual voice packets. Also, since your posting claims all numbers were Pakistani and Lashkar numbers, would you like to provide them to us?
3) Since the email has been traced "down to the node of usage", can this be provided to the govt of Pakistan? Why any wait? Why screech and hoot when you can provide Pakistan with such proofs?
4) Newsweek reported an arrest of 2 Indian individuals, one of whom is an Indian counterinsurgency police officer. Why would an Indian individual be involved in the bombings if the state/Govt/military of Pakistan was involved in the bombings? Even if a terrorist organization was involved, it shows the fragility of your counterinsurgent and anti-terror force that is infiltrated by militants and terrorists. Also, please allow me to point out the crudeness of your posting. First you stated involvement of *former* army officials of Pakistan. Based on this, you deduced it was a marine commando unit of Karachi with ISI and Kiani involved, who are not *former officials* but *currently* hold their respective positions. Hence you are blaming the state/govt/military of Pakistan of involvement in the bombings. Yet in many other posts, you have squawked about involvement of Lashkar.T. and J.M. I'd like to think if your media has been successful in anything, then it has been able to confuse the nation about the root causes of the disaster. Pathetic try.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 6, 2008 07:26:45 PM
|
|
|
|
@India: Your fatuous comments are not only flimsy but also laughable. First, you are blaming 2 Pakistani strategic analysts as "mentally sick"; hence your comments are based on your emotions. If a Pakistani defence analyst is "mentally sick" then every nationalistic defence analyst in the world is as well. Secondly, although I will not base my argument on this but a person's nationality can be outlined by their looks and DNA, since both can be utilized to search for their family/ethnic background. This is what DNA bioscience is based upon and can be used paternity testing as well as ethnicity testing. Hence a despicable argument from your part. Thirdly, when it comes to Mr. Hemant Karkare, you raised the issue of proof and to this day, you have not provided the Govt. of Pakistan proof of a Pakistani armed force's / Goverment / Civil society's involvement in the bombings, that would legitimize a military strike. Hence, your double standards. You raised the issue of lack of maturity in Pakistan, and you fail to perceive how your media/army is waging a war against the Govt and Civil society of Pakistan. Hence your immaturity. Pakistan has suffered the most with the issue of Terrorism. Reason being involvement in Soviet Union war, probably a blunder on Pakistan's part. India is involved in Afghanistan and now Pakistan. Hence your blunder. Terrorism in Afghanistan has not affected any neighboring country not involved in the conflict. Lastly, typing in caps means yelling. Hence your jugdement is based on your rage. Poor!
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 6, 2008 06:38:30 PM
|
|
|
|
total shit!!!first of all this artcile doesn't hold any relevance now since all the countries that were involved in joint ivestigation including US have agreed to a pakistani involement in the attacks...according to mrs RICE"US has irrefutable evidence agaisnt pakistan involvement in the attacks.."
still i wanna make a couple of points...
1.) mr zaid hamid and mr ahmed quraishi r mentally sick and they shud be send to a rehabilitaion camp..i mean these guys are in their own world, giving their own justifications,totally bizzarre by any stretch of imagination...
mr ahmed quraishi blindly follows his boss zaid hamid since they share the same hawkish character...
some of mr hamid's justification which has led him to this conclusion of hindu extremists involvement are..
1.) they were wearing a saffron band...first of all this is too foolish a justification to be deabted about but certainly i wud say one thing that if need the right wing was involved and since in india they r referred to by saffron terrorists, they wud be too dumb too leave their symbol which can be easily decoded by the investigation agencies since i am sure they know that they were not doing a novel thing so they weren't marketing themselves...
2.)secondly he says the guy captured doesn't look like a pakistani.. what a stupid argument.. mr hamid is some magician or what that he can depict a persons nationality just by looking at some photos which too are blurred...we all know that
we south asians ie india(atleast the north indians), pakistan, bangladesh have the same physical apperance and any muslim in punjab(pakistan) if clean shaven and wearing smart T-shirts and six pocket trousers will in no way look like a tradtional pakistani national or even muslim with long beard but that doesnt in any way prove that he is not pakistani...
he further goes on to say that his name is not
qasab but AMAR singh and he has been told this by some of his secret agents in indian intelligence sources...its such a funny argument that i really don know how to react to it...
3.) if indeed according to him indian intelligence was involved in this then why r they sharing and jointly investigating with intelligence services of 4 other countries namely australia , UK , US , ISRAEL when they wud be fearing of getting exposed about there coup... now u will say that all these even australia is invoved in a conspiracy against pakistan....i don know but the whole world seems to be cooking some sort of a conspiracy against pakistan only...
4.)the last and most sensible OF ALL is the killing of mr hemant karkare... but i wud say what proof do u have to prove that it cant be a coincidence... and also one more thing generally such high ranking officials doesnt operate from ground zero at the start only i mean they more of coordiante and the men under them carry out the real work but it was mr karkare's nationalism and the situation (his friend was stuck in fight with terrorits at the CST station ) forced him to act on his own otherwise he wasn't forced or ordered by anyone to do that...and so this was a rare possibilty and so for such a minor probabilty and chance to get the ATS chief the BJP extremists planned such a huge attack in which they ATTACK THE JEWS, TARGETED THE FORIEGNERS, AND BRING HELL LOT OF RDX, EXPLOSIVES, AND HELD THE CITY HOSTAGE FOR LITERALLY 3 DAYS... and killing him doesnt really mean that the investigations he was leading wudnt go on...also what a stupid argument that by attacking on india's financial nerve, its commercial center which is the backbone of india's economy they want to become a superpower.. and if only fundamentalists are involved then it might be a possibility but when a core group of intelligence,military are involved it becomes totally laughable.. since its india its not pakistan and barring people like purohit we have very professional and educated people in our intelligence and army who wudnt even think of or allow such a blunder which could have costed india heavily if it had gone really bad like the blowing up of the hotel and killing of 5000 people as indeed it was the ultimated target of the terrorits which was revealed in investigations....and india unlike america is ap poor country.. america according to majority muslims carried out 9/11 had the economy
to recover but india could'nt...
MY SUGGESTION PLEASE APPLY UR BRAINS AND DONT GET OFFENDED JUST BECAUSE ITS INDIA AND PLEASE AGREE THAT THERE IS TERRORISM IN PAKISTAN AFTERALL FOR HOW LONG U CAN REMAIN IN A STATE OF DENIAL WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING CHINA SAYS THIS... AND ITS REALLY KILLING UR OWN COUNTRY WHOSE ECONOMY IS DETERIORATING DAY BY DAY AND IT CANT TERRORISM ANYMORE... I AGREE THAT INDIAN MEDIA COULD HAVE BEEN A BIT MATURE BUT EVERYTHING IS PROVED NOW AND EVERYBODY IS ECHOING US... SO PLEASE BE MATURE SINCE A PAKISTANI KNOWS MUCH MORE ABOUT AN INDIAN THAN AN INDIAN DOES SINCE U GUYS WATCH OUR MOVIES, OUR TV CHANNELS BUT THIS CANT BE SAID ABOUT INDIANS SINCE EVEN THERE ARE A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS IN AN AVERAGE INDIAN MIND ABOUT A PAKISTANI SINCE THEY DON KNOW MUCH ABOUT U AND STILL THINK PAKISTAN IS LIKE AFGHANISTAN THERE REACTIONS ARE A TESTIMONY TO THAT BUT U HAVE TO SHOW MORE MATURITY...SO ON BEHALF OF ALL INDIANS SAY THAT WE NEVER DOUBT AVERAGE PAKISTANI'S INCLUDING UR GOVERNMENTS INTENTIONS AND NEITHER WE SAY THAT ALL PAKIATANIS ARE TERRORISTS BUT U HAVE TO AGREE THAT THERE IS HUGE PROBLEM OF TERRORISM IN PAKSTAN AND THAT IS EVIDENT BY BIG BLOWS THAT IT HAS SUFFERED FROM IT INCLUDING THE DEATH OF GREAT MRS BHUTTO... DON KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO INDIA U GUYS LOOSE UR WISDOM AND MATURITY AND START GIVING SUCH AMATURISH JUSTIFICATIONS BUT I MUST SAY THAT TIME IS RUNNING OUT AND WE NEED TO ACT NOW OTHERWISE IT WUD BE TOO LATE SINCE ITS A QUESTION OF 1.5 BILLIONS LIVES IN PERIL....
|
| Posted By:
indian
|
December 6, 2008 01:19:16 PM
|
|
|
|
Cool man,cool chair.Its my turn:Asalamualaikum,Brothers and sisters.Point I want to raise is as follows:Investigation only leads to truth and facts when one starts not with a conclusion,bias&side taking.Indian agencies who are just completeting formalities to please their government are just arresting muslims and fabricating this case,creating linkage.In coming days and weeks,we shall be reading,this muslim arrested,found this,found that.All nonsense.If you guys have time,please also go to column'5 Points....Fairytales'.I was right on amphatemine.This drug(No.1 evil)is such that one starts seeing things like real,like a movie,'these guys want to kill me,kill them',one goes crazy&goes on rampage,and in Far East,so many crimes because of this drug.The Japanese Yakuza(mafia)takes this drug.India has been taking this drug for 60 years cos they see Pakistan not as reality&cannot accept.Their MGandhi was hypocrit who was busy with his bharamchariya extasy experimenting whether his tool works,lying naked with young girls when poor muslims were being butchered by extremist hindus in streets;told world that he is pacifist when he blessed his army men to attack Pakistan;'we would throw all weapons in Indians Oceans'all lies,the greatest hypocrit of all times.I have been reading Anjan long time,he telling one person'verbal diahrea'.Lets give him'The winner of Verbal Diahrea Year 2008'.Congratulation,Mr.Anjan!You talk cowshit and you need to see a psychaitrist.Do you know something?Pakistani people are so generous that they let you intrude their sites&listen to your insults.Do you know what your Hindustan Times and other sites do,they just don't allow us in or print our views.They call themselves free media.I am not a specialist in any politics or what,but I see your socalled sharing of view,bullying people with a brilliant intellect mind.It is cruelty of you,just butcher people with your wit and cunning education and looking down on Pakistanis.Do you ever realize that?I wonder what made you like that?You better meditate on your mind&mindset,man,it is too heavy.You have made your life miserable for yourself and you want to vomit on others.See a psychiatrist or some guru.I guess you don't young.Are you going to die with this poison(Pakistan vs India)?Leave it to Politician.This world was stinking before you and me&would still stink after we are gone.Once in a while,join blogs,comments,take out some stress,kick some Pakistani ass,get kicked.Its enough.But you are addicted to Pak-Bashing.I am sure you hate your hatred and want to be free from it,be honest with yourself.We all want.If you hate us so much,if you are man,don't just talk,go to border and start firing at us.You don't have guts.If you love your India so much,go to India,hold poor hungry child.You are not interested in it too.You must have a comfortable home,comfortable seat infront of your computer,thinking you love your India.Sir you are doing nothing for India.Just by blaming,shouting,kicking some asses on internet doesn't make you patriotic&great Indian.Bring your lazy hypocrit ass to India&Mumbai&at least hug some poor hungry child in street.The smell of slums near Dadar&elsewhere,you'll vomit&start dairhea.Stop this insult in the name of Free Speech&View Sharing.You are hurting peoples' heart and their existence of their identity on this site and this planet.Can't you see that?Excuse me,Khudah Hafiz
|
| Posted By:
mushtaq ali
|
December 6, 2008 10:59:56 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan aka Nadaan, Are you that Naive? or just plain stupid? The question doesn't even arise, whether the newspapers are lying or telling the truth, since their job is to....' Report ', so they are merely reporting the same shit your govt. was spewing out of its ass dancing around by lifting its Sari, while the operation was 'still' going on. Keeping that Clown Act in mind do you expect us to take your shit seriously? Also, what were the terrorists doing booze and drugs in their bags? Why were they jacked up on LSD, Coke, and Booze? You know very well these are not the traits of the Mujahideen, someone who is going to give up his life for Allah and hoping for heaven, will he do such things? Also, as i mentioned earlier, and i love mentioning this particular clown act again and again, that the terrorists came back boat from karachi under the nose of the WHOLE Indian Navy/Coast Guard (which shows how incompetent they are, if those terrorists really came by boat) with a motherload of RDX and Ammunitions. This is the same Shit that the Americans were spewing out that the 'terrorists' nto anyone elses, but the terrorist's passport flew out of the plane that hit the twin towers, thru balls of fire and landed on the road. And what happened later? the world know sthat 9/11 was an inside job.. Good luck India, the world wont be fooled by your antics, cuz your Daddy. the USA has already pulled this act, and you, its bastard child, doesnt have half the brains as your Daddy, Uncle Sam.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 4, 2008 05:47:16 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL. Your DAWN newspaper quoting Reuters : "The lone surviving gunman told his interrogators he and the other nine attackers were in contact with Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, who - according to the United States - is the operations chief of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayiba (LeT) militant group.
LeT made its name fighting Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region and is on US, UN and Indian terrorist lists."
LINK : http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/world/lashkar-e-tayiba-coordinated-mumbai-attacks-police-yn NOW YOU WILL SAY DAWN IS LYING / REUTERS IS LYING / NEW YORK TIMES IS LYING AND I AM RIGHT, I AM RIGHT!! LOL
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 4, 2008 04:46:06 AM
|
|
|
|
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3540964/Mumbai-attacks-Terrorists-took-cocaine-to-stay-awake-during-assault.html
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 4, 2008 03:07:33 AM
|
|
|
|
Guys check out this link, the Hindu Terrorists were loaded on LSD, Coke and Steroids, do u think a Mujahideen, ready to give his life for Allah, would go on a hallucigenic trip? C'mon. Bloody Pagans!
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 4, 2008 03:06:38 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: You can scream all you want, however the GPS and all that non-sense that your spewing with so much effort, is all made up. Ofcourse, you're going to try your best to generate proofs, however, India will fail miserably. Tell me something, is your Coast Guard so crappy taht a launch with RDX and Ammunitions passed under your the noses of your Coast Guard? Also, the residents around Nariman House said they witnessed suspicious activities in the building. Also, the terrorists were toked up on LSD, Cocaine and Steroids. However, I would like to tell you that it is not possible for a hardcore Jihadi, who is going to give his life for Allah, to get loaded on LSD (Acid) get all hallucigenic, get pumped on coke and go around on a shooting spree, it doesnt make sense! Also, the so called terrrorists loaded themselves on Liqour too and loaded their place with more booze. These are not the workings of a Mujahideen. Also, dont give me this BULLSHIT story that these people came back boat from Karachi. That is the same absurd Bull crap that we heard from the Americans that they found a Saudi Passport, that blew out of the Airplane thru balls of fire, intact. And what happened? now the world knows 9/11 was a Set up! However, your Game play was worst than the americans, it blew apart right when ti was going on. And you Indians shit ur pants, and hastely started blaming Pakistan. C'mon Mr.Nadaan, give yourself a break.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 4, 2008 03:04:09 AM
|
|
|
|
YOU GUYS ARE PISSING IN YOUR PANTS FIGHTING THE TALIBAN ON THE WESTERN BORDERS. TALIBAN IS EMBEDDED BY PAK SOLDIERS. AND AN AFGHAN ARMY WITH TAJIK DISPENSATION FRIGHTENS YOU. HENCE THIS WAS A KIYANI OPS BEFORE OBAMA ADMIN COMES ON.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 4, 2008 01:21:45 AM
|
|
|
|
@AHMED R - Forget Indian media - You would consider New York Times as an "unbiased paper" and it reports :" Former Pakistani army officials trained the terrorists who went on rampage last week in Mumbai, The New York Times said on Wednesday quoting unnamed Pentagon officials. " IT IS SO SIMPLE - THIS WAS A SSG TRAINED COMMANDO MISSION LET OUT FROM INSS IQBAL - THE MARINE COMMANDO UNIT OF KARACHI UNDER GUIDANCE OF ISI FORWARD CHIEF (KARACHI) AND ZAKIUR RAHMAN. THIS WAS AN OUT AND OUT KIYANI OPS.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 4, 2008 01:20:03 AM
|
|
|
|
@AHMED R - Can you answer 3 questions that I am giving as "evidence". 1) GPS found on trawler - it gives date stamps of arrival from Karachi port to Mumbai. 2) Thuraya Sat phone with call details emanating from various points on the sea co-ord with GPS date stamps. All calls made to Pakistan and known Lashkar numbers. 3) The e-mail sent of Deccan Mujahideen was sent from Pakistan. It was routed through Russian servers and it took huge NSA (USA intel) effort to decode the path back to Pakistan - down to the node of usage. Let's just start with the basic 3 and see your "watered" answer. I have deliberately given electronic "sigints" ..
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 4, 2008 12:07:21 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan Sengupta: Indian media has orchastrated the drama very well. They have utilized the chance to undermine Pakistan with all their media on board. However, your baseless accusations are mere words until you give solid proofs that not a single entity in India was involved in this incident. That includes your intelligence. Hard to swallow that world's biggest democracy was unable to keep these "terrorists" outside a major hotel when they were unable to pass Pakistani security at Marriot. Nice try.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 3, 2008 10:54:43 PM
|
|
|
|
@ rahim khan: I think it is safe to say that you should keep the birdbrained views of yours to yourself. I am sure no one wants to hear your threats and baseless accusations with no proofs. Thanks.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
December 3, 2008 10:41:52 PM
|
|
|
|
Firs TV Interview of Sir Musharraf
Watch first interview our Our beloved hero Sir Musharraf with PJ Mir
Date: Friday 5th December 2008
Time: 8:10pm
On ARY Oneworld
|
| Posted By:
kamran
|
December 3, 2008 05:56:19 PM
|
|
|
|
@ANJAN SENGUPTA
http://bengalunderattack.blogspot.com/2008/12/isi-planned-mumbai-attacks.html . This is the link you posted and I want to THANKS YOU as you really give me something to laugh. Now here is reply... Can you or whole indian media can shed some light on this analysis by Talat Hussain.http://blip.tv/play/rXnd6HgA Get a life and respond to this.
|
| Posted By:
Shahzad Masood
|
December 3, 2008 03:32:20 PM
|
|
|
|
No one has ever succeeded in keeping nations at war except by lies." -- Salvador de Madariaga (1886-1978 ), Spanish writer, diplomat, and historian, noted for his service at the League of Nations
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 3, 2008 03:18:12 AM
|
|
|
|
All my friends from India - Even if it weren't LeT behind the attacks, it was clear India would blame it on LeT... But all of you must realise, the basic motive of carrying out these attacks is being fulfilled: First Shivraj Patel resigned, then N.K. Narayan offered to resign but his resignation was rejected by the PM, later the Deputy CM resigned and now finally CM is about to resign.... Congress's Govt. has been proven failed by these attacks, which gives a clear chance for BJP to win the upcoming elections.
Please don't be biased. Think neutrally.
Blaming is easy. Accepting harsh realities is tough. I'll be damned if BJP doesn't win the upcoming elections.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
December 2, 2008 12:25:30 PM
|
|
|
|
My DEAR FRIEND AHMED QUERSHI
You don't have the full truth and ur story is not correct. I will tell you these LeT terrorist/ SIMI terrorist/ Dawood Ibrahim- DON- mans wants the ATS chief- Karkare murder. all the muslim terrorists fears from Mr. Karkare. And the LeT has given this note to Mumbai Police/ Govt.
You should know that your acts are not at all left unnoticed; rather we are closely keeping an eye on you and just waiting for the right time to execute your bloodshed. We are aware of your recent raids at Ansarnagar, Mograpada in Andheri and the harassment and trouble you created there for the Muslims.
"You threatened to murder them and your mischief went to such an extent that you even dared to abuse and insult Maulana Mahmood-ul-Hasan Qasmi and even misbehaved with the Muslim women and children there.
"If this is the degree your arrogance has reached, and if you think that by these stunts you can scare us, then let the Indian Mujahideen warn all the people of Mumbai that whatever deadly attacks Mumbaikars will face in future, their responsibility would lie with the Mumbai ATS and their guardians - Vilasrao Deshmukh and R R Patil. You are already on our hit-list and this time very very seriously."
Those Muslim terrorist knows that, as they start doing this in Mumbai, Mr. Karkare & his team shall comeinto the picture and then they will kill him.
Yes there are loopholes in the Indian Securities which Dawood Ibrahim must have told these terroist and suggest them the plans and route.
This is a joint operation of LeT and Dawood, who is hiding / has taken the shelter of pakistan govt.
As a true pakistani, I would like to ask to why our government has given the shelter to Dawood Ibrahim and Maulana Azhar Masood- the well known International terrorist/ smuggler.
|
| Posted By:
rahim khan
|
December 2, 2008 04:48:33 AM
|
|
|
|
http://bengalunderattack.blogspot.com/2008/12/isi-planned-mumbai-attacks.html
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 2, 2008 04:37:52 AM
|
|
|
|
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.": James Baldwin Biography - Fiction Writer, Essayist, Social Critic, 1924-1987
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 04:03:42 AM
|
|
|
|
Indian army deliberately defaced terrorists!!
Even in a real war this does not happen like this. This was a carefully orchestrated drama where identities of the terrorists had to be removed, even to the limits of shooting them through their eyes -- both eyes!!. Just another face of sinister Hindu Zionist mentality.
The doctors who conducted the post mortem said the bodies of the terrorists were beyond recognition. "Their faces were beyond recognition." There was no way of identifying them," he said. Asked how, if this is the case, they knew the bodies were indeed those of the terrorists, he said: "The security forces that brought the bodies told us that those were the bodies of the terrorists," he said, adding there was no other way they could have identified the bodies. An intelligence agency source added: "One of the terrorists was shot through either eye."
Doctors shocked at hostages's torture
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30mumterror-doctors-shocked-at-hostagess-torture.htm
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 02:22:52 AM
|
|
|
|
Chossudovsky peels back layers of rhetoric to reveal a complex web of deceit aimed at luring the American people and the rest of the world into accepting a military solution which threatens the future of humanity.
Read this book: America's "War on Terrorism" by Michel Chossudovsky
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 02:11:03 AM
|
|
|
|
Divide and Rule.................................
................................................
What interests are served by these attacks?.....
................................................
Washington is intent on using the Mumbai attacks to:.............................................
................................................
1) Foster divisions between Pakistan and India and shunt the process of bilateral cooperation and trade between the two countries;..........
..............................................
2) Promote internal social, ethnic and sectarian divisions in both India and Pakistan;...........
................................................
3) Justify US military actions inside Pakistan including the killing of civilians in violation of the country's territorial sovereignty;......
...............................................
4) Provide a justification for extending the US led "war on terrorism" into the Indian sub-continent and South East Asia..................
...............................................
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 02:07:36 AM
|
|
|
|
@TTV India: My friend, your anger is justified. It is the same anger that I, as a Pakistani, and many others have, why? Because of Indian Media and governments baseless accusations. So the question is, who is spreading such hatred. IT clearly shows the true intentions of India. India or rather Hindu extremists want to take the opportunity of attacking Pakistan, since it is quite weak lately. Occupy Pakistan from the eastern and America from the western. So bhai, who really are the hate and war mongerers? Who is generating Hate? The atrocities by the Indian and the Israeli illegal occupation regime are generating these Jihadi groups. Think about it man, you need to solve the core issues, InshAllah there will be peace. We do not want war, trust me, no one does, the loss is always of the regular people, the Awam, janta. I was appauled to see the level of racism in India rampant amongst Hindus. The Dalits, untouchables even unseeables. So man, when you have such mentality in India, dont you think you are festering violence and sepratist groups in your own country. I was reading a comment on another website. An american lady said, that India was never 1 nation, thousands of castes and languages, how can it be 1 nation. It didnt even exist until the British carved it before leaving the sub-continent with the exception of Pakistan. They showed the same level of irresposnibility as they showed in Africa, disregarding, race, language, ethnicity religion and carving straight lines out of Africa for borders. India was a bunch of princely states, never as 1 nation. It can never be one nation. It was rightly said, that its a miracle that India still exists. Anyhow, the bottom line is, that if you are a sane minded Indian and u love your country and then speak out against the Hindu extremists who have already infiltrated your govt. Military and nuclear facilities. Save your country, speak out, like we are openly speaking out against our Proxy puppet govt. I swear, I hope that one day the people of this world will finish off the elitist govt system and try posperity and justice will prevail.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 01:55:38 AM
|
|
|
|
This is leading nobody nowhere. Allegations and counter allegations and more counter allegations and then swearing and gaali's and stuff. This is nothing but truckloads of dung. All these discussions by all are showing how intolerant we are. At the slightest of provocation, we end up drawing sowrds. MEDIA (and that includes AQ.com), and the so called EOP's and EOI's are all taking advantage of this bickering. While as an Indian I am more often than not, extremely distrubed at the events and probably in a fit of rage,momentarily, do end up accusing Paki's of all ILL's in India, I am extremely sorry to say, that these emotionally charged ruckus by people like us, all who participate in such forums and communities, are totally useless and baseless. All that we do is foster more hate for each othere here. We more than others who have the power of knowledge and education behave like pigs, dogs and animals waiting to hitout each other at the very next possibility here. THough we do not use actual swords, but the words we use here are deadlier that swords, cause they bleed us all from the inside, puncture our morals and make us all hate mongers. I think, it is about time that we all as educated citizens of the globe, start behaving the way civilised people should. On both sides. We who communicate via this media should also understand that whatever is written here are the views of those who write those articles and not neccessarily of the entire community. Also, request AQ to maintain the dignity of his profession by being totally impartial and unbiased towards all problems alike. Be it India, or Pakistan or anywhere in the world. THe fire that his articles have are remarkable and saprklingly crisp, if used the right way, he can someday bring about a revolution in his country which can take it to hieghts that none of the politicians/dictators can.
|
| Posted By:
TTV INDIA
|
December 2, 2008 01:45:43 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: You're welcome, I didn't answer anything though.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 01:40:17 AM
|
|
|
|
Thanks Danyal - I actually got my answer ...
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 2, 2008 01:36:13 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: I havnet ever come across such a phenomenon. Mixing Pigs blood with Cow piss and burying it in chopati beach, with 10 days marination.... what are you talking bout man?
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 2, 2008 01:19:39 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL - I will overlook your comment as to the chances of going to heaven. However, you have not answered a direct question. Mixing of pig blood on the dead body and making a dead pig be buried with the dead terrorist (assuming he is a muslim) - will that stop his going to meet his "servants and hoors" ....as per the book.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 2, 2008 12:08:49 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: There is nothing like that my friend, regarding the 72 virgins. Basically, the reward for going to heaven is much higher, it talks about 'hoor's which means servants or caretakers, they can be both men and women. However, one thing for sure is that we muslims, jews, christians are not PAGANS, which you hindus are. So, one thing is for sure, we have a confirm and better chance of going to heaven, compared to you. Also, I havent read the comments regarding Asian Times or whatever, I dont stay on this Blog 24/7. Other than this, yes, they were terrorists, but they were HINDU terrorists.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 11:55:20 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: First of all, you can call me whatever you want, cause' i know I'm not what you call me. However, the fact is, atleast I don't drink 'Cow Piss', as a part of my religion. Totally gross! Anyhow, I don't even know what you're talking about regarding Kargil, can you post that or write that again, so that I can answer you and satisfy your itch.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 11:48:50 PM
|
|
|
|
This may be controversial but let's assume that the terrorists who killed were simple terrorists. Whether Hindu, Muslim, Chinese, Pakistani or Indian we will come to that fact later. Are we all agreeable to this fact that they were terrorists. OK, from here we come to the controversial part. It seems that most of the Islamic terrorists want to meet 72 virgins after dying. However, there is a way to stop their meeting 72 virgins after death. If pig blood is mixed on their body and their body is buried along a dead pig, it seems, his soul cannot reach heaven to meet 72 virgins. Is this true Danyal - have been hearing it for some time now. And if these terrorists were Chinese or Hindus, mixing pig blood should not bother you - should it? Need clarity on this. Thanks. And DANYAL, ISI etc - at least give your comments to Asia Times article written by a Pakistani reporter - link given in my earlier reply. Thanks
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 11:40:31 PM
|
|
|
|
ANJAN SENGUPTA & Vikram Narang! Can you guys please tell me what you guys have to say about this article from INDIAN MEDIA.
'Armed police would not fire back. - I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera'
From ANI
London/Mumbai, Nov.29: British daily --The Independent - has revealed how a newspaper photographer took an astonishing picture while hiding inside a train carriage as gunfire erupted all around him.
Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose offices are just opposite the city's Chhatrapati Shivaji station, heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus.
"I ran into the first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a shot but couldn't get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage and waited for the gunmen to walk by," he told The Independent.
"They were shooting from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me taking photographs but they didn't seem to care."
For Full Story :http://www.dailyindia.com/show/284306.php
After reading this I start to have a feeling that Indian police is also on ISI's payroll.
|
| Posted By:
Shahzad Masood
|
December 1, 2008 10:55:09 PM
|
|
|
|
Forget about the wrist band. But the striking thing is this that it impossible for a boat to travel from Karachi 500 nautical miles to Mumbai unnoticed.
BJP wanted to prove inability of congress, so they planned it for political gains. The three officers who were very near in interrogating the Samjhota Incident have got links and even proved in court that Hindu extremists were involved in Muslim massacre at Samjhota express.
These officers were killed first to remove the evidence and give message to other sincere police officers that you dare not to enter in this angle.
|
| Posted By:
Sohail Khan
|
December 1, 2008 09:06:16 PM
|
|
|
|
We had the dream once in 1970, and realized in 1971. If they love you so much then why you were kicked out at that time. Or you may have talks with your dear bengali bothers regain the lost pakistani pride. Or jo tu rand di gall kar reha..I m more fair than half of you pakistani..i know very well the color of people in pakistan other than punjab. And for your kind information i m from punjab too...moreover color doesn't matter to me, its just showing your racist attitude..may be its Islam that teaches you racism..i dont know... if u are so happy with bangladesh. do u know what Bengali brothers did with this puppet sheikh mujiburrehman??
they killed him because he was becoming indian puppet. his body was in streets of bangladesh. so dont be so happy. because it is a slap on indians face. u hindu lala bania are the most racist people in the earth.
|
| Posted By:
ISI
|
December 1, 2008 01:03:15 PM
|
|
|
|
It's impossible to see the pictures!
|
| Posted By:
djazairi
|
December 1, 2008 12:38:21 PM
|
|
|
|
Having had a look at some of the articles coming out now it looks like Pak is not very innocent. The al-Qa'ida-linked Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists suspected over the Mumbai massacre were trained in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, and were incited by speeches from their leader in Lahore. As the sole surviving terrorist was interrogated in Mumbai, security sources told The Australian that 10 terrorists were picked by LET for the suicide mission. They were ordered to "kill until your last breath" and murder up to 5000 people. Also(http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023729.php#comments) A Muslim graveyard has refused to bury nine gunmen who terrorized Mumbai over three days last week, leaving at least 172 people dead and wreaking havoc at some of its most famous landmarks. The men are not true followers of the Islamic faith, according to the influential Muslim Jama Masjid Trust, which runs the 7.5-acre (three-hectare) Badakabrastan graveyard in downtown Mumbai. While Nalkhande said several Islamic scholars had backed the trust's decision, some also criticized the move. Even militants must be given a proper burial, said scholar Maulauna Zubair Ahmed. "As per the Shariah, the trust cannot say no," he said, referring to Islamic law. "The Shariah says whether a Muslim is a drunkard, rapist, criminal, you must offer him a place for burial."... I am very confused about my new faith...
|
| Posted By:
Fred Wassalaua
|
December 1, 2008 11:00:04 AM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram Narang: You too are representing India here. If you don't have the temperament to argue, then don't indulge yourself in sensitive discussions! And keep your abusive language to yourself please. We don't need it here. You have no right to abuse the Webmaster. You are a disgrace. I would suggest you don't come back till you've grown up.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
December 1, 2008 09:50:33 AM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram Narang. It was not Pakistan who was running in UNO for intermediation for seize fire in 48 war, but alas by that Time we has Muzzafarabad, Mirpur etc.Now after 61 years of oppression why you think that Kashmiris themselves will not rise for their freedom. If you are so big fan of democracy do me a favor... Just ask your Govt. for a plebiscite in Kashmir.But how could u ask them as no one will listen you as said by AQ, Dehli has been taken by hawkish elements in Indian political elite.
|
| Posted By:
Shahzad Masood
|
December 1, 2008 09:28:08 AM
|
|
|
|
And do whatever you want to do in kashmir. Send your army in disguise of muzahideens as those rats did in kargil time, occupied the vacant hills and when thrown out blamed on your own leaders. both of these were act of bravery, coz how u gonna accept defeat. you hav luxury of two power centres. if one fails, other is there to blame. But do whatever you want to do. Kashmir is with us from 60 years. After 1948 you cannot take even a single each. Fight for it and again go to bankruptcy again. Choice is yours, kashmir or fight for 1000 years and EATING GRASS. KASHMIR IS INTEGRAL PART OF INDIA AND IT "LL BE. AND MAKE BOGUS CLAIM WHEN YOU LL GET EVEN A SINGLE INCH> OTHERWISE WE KNOW YOUR ARMY.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
December 1, 2008 06:57:15 AM
|
|
|
|
and same shit is AQ and his fu**ing WEBMASTER
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
December 1, 2008 06:50:58 AM
|
|
|
|
@Danyal: WTF lol and hahahah are you making..i was expecting answer from you abt what you said regarding kargil. but you are same shit like other pakistani who try to convince non-sense Zaid Hamid and when confronted to real stuff, just try to avoid. I think it was and it is waste of time to discuss with you disgusting souls. all of you are shame on Islam.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
December 1, 2008 06:48:24 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL & Ors - At least read what a Pakistani reporter has written: AL QAEDA HIJACK LED TO MUMBAI ATTACKS. Of course he deflects blame from ISI, yet elements in it are connected. A demarche has been given to Pakistan High Commissioner. Read it at: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JL02Df05.html. In the interest of TRUTH - LET THIS REPLY BE POSTED AND NOT DELETED.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 05:44:08 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: Are you for real...lol ahahahha...ok..lets suppose, we dont help the kashmiris, then what? you think the thousand Plus protests and defiance of curfew marches will stop? Huh.. I swear anjan...forget about it man..im done talking to u on this top.cuz its getting highly unusual. ahhaha
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:55:14 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL - If you guys stop helping Kashmris, maybe it will be easier for Kashmir. Think about that. Your helping complicates the whole thing.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:53:26 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: I never said that all Kashmiris want to be a part of Pakistan, Nop, didn't say that. I know Kashmiris want their own state, atleast the majority does. But we'll help them out, and they'll take our help, they are our brothers, jsut like the paletinians are our brothers. I dont know how to explain it to u. I told you we are 1 Body. I don't care if Kashmir comes into paksitan or stays Independent, or even....even goes with India, as long as the Kashmiri people are satisfied and happy. However, thats not the case, the Kashmiris, want out of India...wait a minute, kashmir isnt even a part of India, its occupied. Oh! Hence, illegal occupation and terrorism by a state, known as? you guessed it.... India aka. Racististan
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:50:43 AM
|
|
|
|
Last but not the least - according to latest updates... The Chief Minister of Maharashtra has offered to resign.... Its like the movie Sarkar is being replayed in India - only this time its for real, not merely a movie. I'm positive that if there is one unbiased and neutral man standing in the Indian Authorities (someone like Hemant Karkare), they won't rest the case by blaming it all on LeT, because outsiders managing to attack Mumbai with such precision - does not make sense. However, if infact it WAS LeT, then probably Oberoi Hotel owners and Taj Mahal Hotel owners are real good friends of Pakistan and for that matter, ISI! and so is the owner of the Nariman house! Cuz they provided shelter, food and ammunition to the terrorists! How convenient!
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
December 1, 2008 03:47:20 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL - You are wrong. Have you thought of a possibility that one can want to be a proud Muslim yet not want to be part of Pakistan. Do you even think that this possibility could be there. Independence over merger with Pakistan - think about it when you think about Kashmir.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:46:39 AM
|
|
|
|
@HQ. Let me just state this - it will be premature to blame PAKISTAN state for the attacks. But there are elements in it that are clearly involved. Call intercepts, humint and sigint provided clues but not the full picture. The captured terrorist is spinning quite a story - not all of it true. Special "jucies" could be fed in him to get to the "truth" - Israeli, British and American intelligence officials are inside to get information. If India mounted this, I do not think, India will capture any "terrorist" alive - its first action will be to kill all to avoid "detection". As I said, let a few days go by - there are definite Pakistani linkages but nothing CONCRETE yet.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:45:05 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: In that case, I would want Paksitan Army to Arm every kashmiri youngester and every mujahideen and we'll gladly collide head on with the Indian Army. Simple... are you guys ready for that. Cuz i'm dead sure, every Kashmiri would gladly crack open every Indian skull. India, Israel, U.S.A. are synonymous with State sanctioned terrorism-ethnic cleansing-wretchedness-falsity-chootiapa. Simple...
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:40:55 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan Sengupta: i'm copypasting what i posted earlier for you - some food for thought.........
@Anjan Sengupta: Anjan saahab, kyun "Anjaan" bantay ho? The fact that these attacks came just a few weeks prior to your elections is not merely coincidental. Reminds me of your movie Sarkar, where even the elder son was turned against his father by the Swami and his cronies. The thing is, before you point a finger at others, you must be clear within. India needs to realise this. As i mentioned earlier, as true Indian patriots, you people need to fight the evil within - the dark side of India. As this mystery unravels, things will become clear. I do understand that at times it is bitter to digest harsh realities. So fine, if you guys feel better feeling that Pakistan was behind the attacks, so be it. But keep one thing in mind, Pakistan will not benefit at all out of this episode, however, BJP has a lot to reap after sowing this seed. "tumko maaloom hai BJP ki haqeeqat lekin, dil kay behlaanay ko 'Anjaan' yeh khayaal acha hai"
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
December 1, 2008 03:39:46 AM
|
|
|
|
@HQ - ISI is not planning to assassinate Bill Clinton today. It was a foiled attempt in Manila when Clinton was the President and was going for an official visit to Manila. It had interesting "terrorists" - some old connection to the first attack on Twin Towers - remember Ramzi Yousef et at. Rest you do your research, cause I know what I am taking about. Hint: There was a mysterious fire in the flat in which the terrorists were staying and the assassination attempt was scuppered. I am yet to say anything on intelligence matters in this site, which is not backed up.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:37:07 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL - You echoed my views on the UN - being a fake organization. I wish to blow the UN office in Srinagar, repeal Art 370 and reverse migrate Hindus into the valley. Simple....
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:33:41 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan Sengupta: Your allegations of ISI planning to assassinate Bill Clinton are baseless.
Americans assassinate their own Presidents when the need arises. Take a look at history of the US. Not once has the US President been assassinated by any outsider, and ISI is no superhero from fiction stories. So return to your senses and treat it as a professional Intelligence Agency who's only priority is the Defense of Pakistan...
Also, Clinton was brought down by their own media in a small case, the Monica Lewinsky case. ISI didn't need to kill him. ISI got better things to do than to go to Manila and assassinate the US-President.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
December 1, 2008 03:33:05 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: Since when did Kashmir become an Indian state or territory????????? Huh? Also, it's Pakistans matter cuz muslims are under seige, being tortured raped etc etc. As for Islamists being boiled alive, aren't you are of the pan-arab secular movement? its got nothing to do with Islam buddy. Don't mix up Arab nationalism with Islam. Excuse yourself.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:31:50 AM
|
|
|
|
@HQ - Sorry seem to have missed your qs directed at me. Please resend the question. Thanks. And yes, if India could, India would have attacked long ago - but that had nothing to do with indian Army - it had to do with our "ball less and gut less " corrupt politicians.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:31:36 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: U.N.? That fake organization, which the U.S. controls? the U.S. itself breaks its charters and shreds them to pieces whenever it wishes. I dont recognize the U.N. as a legitimate organization. The U.N., Bogus, fake, drama organization. Yes, I do not recall about the assassination plot of the U.S. president. So I can't comment on that, but since you've mentioned it, I'll do my research. however, don't you think during the Clinton days, Israel was not so pleased with the Clinton Administration?
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:26:38 AM
|
|
|
|
'clean Indian Hindi accents' Nick Paton Walsh C4 News Corrected Links
Refs
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1529573111/bclid3347113001/bctid3463868001
Now recorded on my OS.
Hegemony conducted by a bankrupt -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/opinion/16Sun1.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print
Dear Mr Paton Walsh,
In these days when due legal process is so flawed in the UK* and variations of 'truth' are imprinted on the minds of a supine public, I take special note of inconsistencies broadcast and then amplified by those who should transmit the truth and eschew black rumour.
On Friday night 28 November, you included a segment from the fishermen's dock. 'Six militants (as per Gaza) came ashore in T-shirts, looking like students. They spoke with 'clean Indian Hindi accents'. One told a woman to mind her business. They split into 2 and 4.'
I try not to watch that which passes for news on BBC and C4 but tonight I see/hear Damian Grammaticus on BBC and then yourself on C4 speaking of 10 Pakistani terrorists with no mention of 'clean Indian Hindi accents.' Was your fishermens' dock report untrue or was it convenient to leave it out? Or perhaps it was deemed unimportant by you or your editor. As a doctor and surgeon who was taught to place great weight on the patient's history, I believe the earlier story should not be so easily discarded. If your story had fisher folk reporting 'clean Pakistani Urdu accents' then perhaps we would have heard more about this.
Did the BBC pay no account to your report?
And in all the lurid speculation as to the culprits' origin, the words
cui bono have not been heard.
For truth, reason and justice
David Halpin MB BS FRCS
*For instance - the constant reference to Islamic terrorists/Islamic fundamentalists/radicalised Islamic youth and the 7/7 'bombings'.  Such assumptions are probably illegal and certainly evil given that there has been no Section 17 A Public Inquiry (as inappropriately applied to the unnatural death of Dr David Kelly when it is designed for multiple deaths) and there have been no completed inquests of the 52 victims or of the 4 alleged culprits. A 32 page report from a Home Office wallah is not a verdict. Speaking of flaws, myself and my colleagues are asking the attorney-general for that long delayed inquest on Dr Kelly.
|
| Posted By:
David Halpin
|
December 1, 2008 03:25:55 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan Sengupta: You didn't respond to my previous comment that i had addressed to you. Anyways, its upto us to decide, who to help and who NOT to help. We helped Afghanistan, we helped Bosnia, we helped Yugoslavia, we still help Palestine and hell yes, we help Kashmir. All of the aforementioned countries/states/territories where Pakistan helped were fighting for a cause, for freedom. Pakistan has a heart for freedom cuz we believe in the right of people, that is because we are a free nation. Pakistan stands for freedom and equality. Pakistan stands for peace. And if India doesn't like it, then too bad... You might look good in the eyes of USA and Israel for your anti-muslim sentiment, but they're gonna fall one day too, and believe me, if India doesn't back out of their evil plans, they'll take India down with them.
And as far as India attacking Pakistan is the case, believe me, if India were ever as strong and had the balls to do it, India wouldn't wait a second and take over Pakistan. The thing is, our military, despite its several known weaknesses, has the balls to tear India apart, and India doesn't want the realities to be rubbed in its face.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
December 1, 2008 03:25:31 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL - Indian messing with Pakistan in Kashmir. Since when did Kashmir become Pakistani territory? I am not sure I heard this anywhere else ....And if you know history, it is Muslims who have been cruel to Muslims more than any other religion. And this continues today (live boiling of Islamists in Islamic country, blowing off mosques where Islamic brotherhood took shelter again in an Islamic country ......)
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:25:04 AM
|
|
|
|
@DANYAL - You are right. Bosnian Muslims were saved by Pakistan. But how that was done was completely against the UN charter and in guile. If you are part of UN - then some rules should be adhered by. And no comments on the plot to kill Bill Clinton in Manila or were you not aware of this?
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:21:39 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: Also, we'll screw Mr. Obama too if he messes with us. Whats wrong with that? if some nation is hostile to us, killing our civilians, huh? messing with us, doing covert operations within our state. Why shouldnt we defend ourselves?. Now, you'll say that Pakistan messed with India too, so India has the right to fight with Pakistan. Well you see, you're already messing with Pakistan in Kashmir, u mess with Kashmir or even Indian Muslims, InshAllah let a strong muslim leader come to power, we'll liberate the muslims of India and other minorities for the Fake terrorist state known as 'India', dont even need to change the name. India is enough to be synonymous with state sponsored terrorism, rape, God knows whatelse. Piss drinking?
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:21:07 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT THE PAKISTAN ARMY HELPED THE BOSNIAN MUSLIMS! I'm proud of that, and that is what Pakistan should do for any muslim nation in distress, and for any opressed nation in general! Whats there to hide? We helped the Bosnians, and we will help the Kashmiris till death. Man, I told you we muslims are 1 body, okay...so no matter how corrupt we've become, it's in our nature to help our muslim brothers. Yes, It's an open secret, that the ISI and Pak Army greatly helped the Bosnians. If you go to Bosnia, ask the bosnians, who saved them, they'll tell you Pakistan Army saved us!
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:17:20 AM
|
|
|
|
ISI readies plan to kill Barack Obama. To be orchestrated by Al Qaeda and as will 9/11 - money / logistics / planning will be done by ISI. In fact the ISI plot to kill Bill Clinton in Manila was found our quite by chance when the flat in which they (terrorists) were staying in Manila, caught fire. ISI views Obama as a big threat, as they did with Clinton who was on the verge of declaring Pakistan a terrorist nation. ISI chief JAVED NASIR had to be removed hastily otherwise PAKISTAN WAS GOING TO BE DECLARED A TERRORIST NATIONS. And you know why - Danyal and other friends? Because J Nasir was using PAKSITAN PLANES to ferry ARMS & AMMUNITION to BOSNIAN MUSLIMS. Impressive - you might say......
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
December 1, 2008 03:12:25 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: Do all the slandering you want. And falsity is what we can expect from the Indian State, but now have the Indian citizens joined in aswell? It doesn't bother me or Ahmed Bhai; you guys can call us whatever you want, cause you can only make noise, just like these days your media is making noise and like your govt. did when the 'Mumbai operations' were actually going on, so no wonder you are acting like this. Make more noise, as much as you want, call us whatever you like, Terroristan, Jihadistan (this one isn't bad, infact i like it, for we muslims do Jihad all the time, that is, strive for goodness, within ourselves and in society). But one thing is for sure, we don't even need to change the Name of India, U.S.A. or Israel, these names are already synonymous with State sanctioned terrorism and ethnic cleansing. Whats really sad is that the perversion that is rampant in Hinduism is just sickening. You guys even differentiate, in your religion, with Hindus of other castes. Anyway, help your country, India to shine, don't let the BJP come into power. and atleassst have your state atleast 'agree' to solved the Kashmir issue.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 03:10:28 AM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: I'm just showing that, its not only Pakistanis who think that the Mumbai operations stink. Westerners who are aware of the inner workings of the organized terrorist states such as the U.S.Israel and India, very well know whats behind the Mumbai attacks. In one of my posted comments, by Gilad Atzmon, he pointed out very well, the campaigns by the U.S. India and Israel are run by the 'state' not by individual groups. So isn't that the worst kind of terrorism in which teh state is involved and clearly executing it under the garb of freedom and democracy and being the 'Masoom victim'. I see Pakistan and the U.S/India/Israel as the fight between David and Goliath! InshAllah, the truth will prevail. It says in the Quran that, Falsehood will always perish and the truth will prevail for Falsehood is bound to perish.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 02:16:53 AM
|
|
|
|
@Danyal: I hope rather than these scattered comments, i hope you ll mind to reply to your and mine kargil comments. I hope that ll be there by morning.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
December 1, 2008 01:54:09 AM
|
|
|
|
Once again, and still, India seeks to deal with problems by denying reality. This attack was not an attack against Indian democracy but, like 9/11, an attack against State sanctioned terrorism and a denial of freedom. India has as many Muslims as Pakistan and there has been a steady rise in Hindu fundamentalism … Hindoostan for Hindus is the catchcry… and increasing violence toward and discrimination against Muslims.
Add to this the festering sore of Kashmir …. where India plays the role that Israel plays in Palestine and the US plays in Iraq and the international community plays in Afghanistan, and you have a fertile bed for disaffection and revellion.
Add to this the appalling inequalities and hopelessness of life for most Indians where poverty, illiteracy and homelessness are a way of life while the Government spends billions upon billions on military hardware, a space programme for heaven’s sake, and a nuclear weaponry industry and you can see why just some of India’s billion odd people might be ripe for rebellion.
No, one does not condone the violence, ever, but one can understand it in light of the violence done by the Indian Government to Kashmiris in particular and Muslims in general.
It is sheer fantasy to talk about a uninted India. It has never been united. It is in fact a nation which did not exist until the British cobbled it together as part of their empire and then left it as one State, minus the partition of Pakistan. Another totally disasterous action. India was a collection of mini-royal states, more like an Indian â€Europe,’ it was never one country. Those in the South had different cultural origins and language to those in the North and the miracle is that India has survived for so long. The people of Assam are neither racially nor culturally Indian and yet as part of the old British Empire were bundled in with India. Like Africa, the colonial powers gave no thought to borders, race, culture or religion. The result is chaos.
Read William Dalrymple for greater understanding of India past and present and look to the source of this latest atrocity. You will find its bones in the same place as 9/11- aggression by government, State sanctioned terrorism, meddling foreigners and the arrogance of power.
Roslyn Ross | 11.30.08 - 3:46 pm | #
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 01:46:26 AM
|
|
|
|
The British foreign minister Miliband along other politicians announced yesterday that the attack in Mumbai is an attack against Western democracy. I think that we better face it, as long as the Western democracies treat Muslims as soft targets the Western subject may be as well subject to retaliation and terror.
I would suggest Miliband and his colleagues stop immediately trying to democratise the world. Doing so would simply make this world a far safer place and by far nicer to live in- Gilad Atzmon
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 01:39:48 AM
|
|
|
|
Terror is a message written on the wall but for some reason most Westerners fail to read it. Our enthusiasm to bring Coca-Cola to the Muslim world must be curbed immediately. We should keep our liberal democratic fantasy to ourselves, especially now when it had been proven as a faulty concept. Our insistence upon making Arabs and Muslims as stupid as us is not going to work. We must let people live their lives according to their beliefs and cultural heritage-Gilad Atzmon
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 01:38:05 AM
|
|
|
|
@TTV-India: I think you are not aware of a strategy called 'Covert operations'. I dont expect you to believe that teh world is black and white, and that the news is spotlessly lucid. C'mon man.. Lets not get into the debate of democracy, cuz democracy is hypocrisy. Anyway, thats another debate.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 01:15:14 AM
|
|
|
|
I think you guys dont know what elections and a demcratic government means. Anyways, I would not dewll into explaing it as you wont understand it any which ways. What with never having a properly elected government ever.
WELL AQ, you would be in for a surprise. What you call a coup is a political system called democracy. But alas, How'd you know. Sorry for ya.
|
| Posted By:
TTV INDIA
|
December 1, 2008 12:40:58 AM
|
|
|
|
In 2000, The Times Of India reported on the Israeli presence in India:
"Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi's security needs.
The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official." View Entire Story Here.
The Israelis were asked to determine the areas in which Israel could offer assistance to help reduce the incidence of terrorist incursions into Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan. It was agreed that Israeli assistance would include "information transfers, instruction in operational methods, and the sale of equipment."
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 12:27:42 AM
|
|
|
|
@ The article that you referred from Canadian guy is not upto standards, when you see the previous history of that guy. I ll recommend to go through that, as he too is of same mentality as AQ and your Hamid bhai. If you really want to give ne the article, my id is narangvikram@ymail.com.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
December 1, 2008 12:25:56 AM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: please give me your email address, I want to forward u an article. Its good, it talks about Israels involvement in this operation.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 12:17:52 AM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: "A senior Indian naval officer has claimed that the attackers (who arrived in a ship, the M V Alpha) were linked to Somali pirates, implying that this was a revenge attack for the Indian Navy’s successful if bloody action against pirates in the Arabian Gulf that led to heavy casualties some weeks ago."
For God sake!, stick to 1 blame ..ahahhaa. Poor Somalia, its already screwed up. Are you gonna attack it now? on Bush's pre-emptive philosophy
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
December 1, 2008 12:07:20 AM
|
|
|
|
@Danyal: Pls dont refer again and again to Gujrat. You too know that I have never justified those crimes against humanity. That was shit politics and now enemy nations are using that to carry out all the politics. And death of innocent is condemnable whatever may be the religion, but can you cite any part of Pakistan where total population increase is 11% and increase of one specific religion is 67%. Or any part of pakistan where muslim religious leader is killed by any of the minority ( if there is any) in the disguise of Maoists? and If you ll talk about Sikhs, I would like to tell you first that I am from Punjab too. And no further details are required than that Sikh insurgency started to end when none other than your PM Bhutto gave details of Sikh terrorists some where around 1986-88( I dont know the year exactly)
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 11:57:14 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: Bhai, this shit information is from an independent news source based in america. If you dont like it.. check otu another think tank based in Canada. globalresearch.ca
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 11:55:48 PM
|
|
|
|
Bachhon ki tarah blaming kar rahe hain??? Have you seen the last video of "YOUR" Hamid Bhai???
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 11:46:13 PM
|
|
|
|
And now coming to your previous comment, at least you accepted it was you not the "HOLY" Muzahideens in kargil. And then i think its use-less to argue how bravely you fought, as i know you ll not accept the actual things. But I think you too know how bravely fighting your soldiers occupied peaks. ( I believe at least you too ll accept the truth that at those times the peaks were unoccupied by the Indian Army). And then, you said that Muslims are so brave and dedicated to the nation, are not your leaders at that time were Muslims. I 'll nt be surprised if one of you at AQ post ll say that your leaders are non-muslims( may be Jews, Hindus, Christians etc.). dont be proud of your bravery, no one is made of less metal. I 'll just see how the things unfold.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 11:45:00 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: Yeah man, I mean I'm not Anti-You. Lets see what happens. No one wants war. But the Indian media and govt need to shut their Traps! And act mature. Bachon ki tarha blaming kar rahay hain. Is this how your diplomacy and foreign office works?
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 11:42:44 PM
|
|
|
|
@vikram: One more link...though its from a Paksitani, probably, but its not Ahmed Quraishi : )...................................
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21345.htm
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 11:40:08 PM
|
|
|
|
@Danyal: Actually every TOM, DICK and HARRY can guess, who ll wear the saffron band, while to attack. I 'll say it needs highest standards of stupidity and complete non-sense to conclude that if some hindu is involved in attack and wear the saffron band. So i don't think that it ll make any sense to try to have positive talk with such minds. So i 'll suggest to see how the things unfolds.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 11:37:50 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: Also, man its not only Ahmed Quraishi. Independent news sources in America are also pointing at India's internal matters. let me give you a link.. read it for urself.............
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21341.htm _____ Deepak chopra blames washington for the mumbai attacks.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 11:37:44 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: forget the past, the recent episode ripped open the underbelly of the Indian Establishment and its cheap and third class methods of achieving its national and international motive. Listen, even before I read any articles my Ahmed Bhai or Zaid Bhai (Zaid Hamid), I figured it out on my own. Any TOm Dick or Harry could see the real motives fo the Indian government. The first clear indication was the way the Indian government blamed Pakistan. It showed the real motives and the real people behind the Mumbai Operation. C'mon man, acknowledge the truth. It's ok! don't worry about it, we wont make fun of you or defame you. We all want peace bro. Just like Ahmed bhai or other Pakistani nationalist criticise the government. You, as an Indian Nationalist should stop BJP and other extremists of hijacking India and hampering its growth and prosperity. You should work on establishing the True India, which you potray, make it for real man. Unfortunately, those people you've oppressed, the Dalits and christians and muslims and Siksh and Maoists and otehrs, are all working against the Indian government. Lets see how it goes man. But pleaseeee stop saying Pakistan is behind this. Countless evidence is present. 'Deccan Mujahideen' hahaha with a Punjabi accent and with a name 'Amar Singh' and 'Heera lal' (who was killed and whos face was so mutilated beyound recognition.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 11:30:14 PM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan: As for those capture 'terrorist'. What happened to those who escaped 'into the city'. HOw the hell did that happen. Man..... I cant help laughing at the hasty blaming of India towards pakistan, right when the operation was goin on, it clearly blew open the can of conspiracy. You guys are NOT AMERICAN. So your operation was a disaster. You RAW terrorists wore the saffron band, and that fucked up everythign HAHAH. It reminds me of Jerry Lewis's movie, THE PARTY, where in the beginning he is shooting for a historical movie, and the director cuts the movie and points out at jerry lewis who is wearing a watch. AHHAHAHAHHAAH.
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 10:58:13 PM
|
|
|
|
@ANjan: Why don't you look inside your own collar. I'm not gonna write down a whole thesis of whats really going on, Ahmed Bhai has already explained it out pretty clearly in his Article. So, the shit has already hit the ceiling, the RAW operation in Mumbai was a HORRIBLE attempt of creating an Indian 9/11, however, if the Janta of India doesn't get the real picture, then the aim of the operation will be a success, that is installing BJP back in power, and to have a war with Pakistan. However, you see that, we Muslims, when we go to battle, we know where we'll go when we die, so we are not afraid to die, a true Jihadi doesnt ahve anything to do with this world, he'll willingly die. So what do u do with an army who WANTS to die. We'll kick India's ass like we did before, I think you have recent episode to make you re-think. Kargil-where beat up India like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately, our corrupt establishment didn't back the army. Anyhow, Anjan, if you really love India, then others like you should stop the BJP extremists, or......are you one of them? You see, I know it's hard to accept the truth, but the truth is very evident now, my friend. The operation wasn't executed properly, it got FUCKED UP, and India's Jald bazi showed clearly on TV. Blaming pakistan for the attacks, WHEN THE OPERATION IS STILL GOING ON! HOW ABSURD! Also, the MOST FUCKING BOGUS THING TO HEAR...(I'm not shouting cuz I'm angry, I'm shouting cuz IM LAUGHING) was that the terrorists came by boat, basically, crossing 500 nautical miles from Karachi to mumbai in a launch with ammunition and RDX, under the nose of the Indian navy. Also, i heard that one of the fishermen saw the terrorists, and he even said they had 'Barood' in the school bags. How the fuck did he know that! LOL HAHAHAHAH... Anjan my friend, i know you are an Indian Nationalists. SAVE YOUR COUNTRY from THIS SHAMEFUL STUPID, IMMATURE, IDIOTIC, ATTEMPT TO BLAME PAKISTAN. GROW SOME BALLS MAN! if you wanna have a WAR. BRING IT ON. WE'LL KICK INDIA'S ASS LIKE WE DID. Also, you might have noticed the changed in my personal policy : ) The reason is, that i saw the stance that INdia is making, India doesnt want peace in this region. So fuck Humanity. Bring it on. Pakistan ZINDABAD. (ALSO, if the War happens, I'll willingly volunteer to join the army)
|
| Posted By:
Danyal Lodhi
|
November 30, 2008 10:42:23 PM
|
|
|
|
Vikram; I think it is too early to start a blame game but I will say this... There will not be peace if your country gets involved in regional politics. I sincerely believe there is a lot of talent and potential in India and Pakistan. If both countries work together and not in the interest of nations thousands of miles away, not only there will be peace but the region will grow to its full potential. Your media, even as I see it here in the US, has shown similar biased views as the western media did during Iraq and South Ossetia war, both of which were found to be white-lies. I think it is important to sit back and realize that getting involved in Afghanistan has brought nothing but doom to every nation in history. Its simple, if there is no action, there will be no reaction. Pakistan and India have both committed huge blunder by getting involved in regional conflict. China & Iran are perfect examples in this region. The on-going war on terror has not affected them in any way.
|
| Posted By:
Ahmed R
|
November 30, 2008 07:11:10 PM
|
|
|
|
I have not asked for your advice. SO better use your mental energies for your pakistan. The that was not "just" separation dear, that was just humiliation. That is the other thing if you take pride in the surrender of 80-90,000 soldiers of your country. And about the US agenda, I have seen crying AQ a lot about pakistan being used through ur zardaris and all other TOP leaders. So spare your energies, it ll be handy in bad times. I told you, dont be over confident. Just see how the things unfold.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 05:32:09 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram Narang- Well if you want to discuss 1971 I am more than happy. What happen in 1971 was separation of East Pakistan from West Pakistan on basis of ethnicity but that doesn't change anything.Not by a bit. Fact is India was involved in all that from very long period before 71. But if you think that you can repeat it in Bluchistan through Afghanistan...Here is my advice, BACK OFF.Before declaring yourself as savior of others it is time for India to look into your own house and try to protect it from bad guys who has got in higher ranks (as you yourself admit). It will be a nightmare for you guys if India is being used by US/Israel for their global agenda.
|
| Posted By:
Shahzad Masood
|
November 30, 2008 05:22:01 PM
|
|
|
|
And its up-to you now..what you want. Fight with India for 1000 years or Grass( Before the aid came from IMF, you were very close to that situation). Choice is yours.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 04:52:01 PM
|
|
|
|
@Masud: Who told that i m your friend..no not at all. And i did not say all of you were Hindus. I said a lot of you were Hindus. Is there anyone to deny that. No no-one. This is the fact that Mughals converted a lot of Hindus to Islam by force. If you are not among them then where they are. And i ll say again that We are those who confronted the Mughals head on under the leadership of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
And those who are so confident of future, then i m here. lets see how the things unfold. We are what we were in 1947, despite the efforts of Pakistan, your peaceful nation. For you we all know there was one part of land in world called East Pakistan. I have not heard that much after 1971. Any of you have idea what happened to that?
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 04:42:00 PM
|
|
|
|
I am glad to see the real faces of our so called friends. They have evil intentions; they are the one who are actually responsible for spreading so much hate between two countries. In my view these ignorant and small people are responsible for all the killings of innocent people, which took place in Mumbai. These so called educated ignorant people spread hate on various sites, with their half cooked theories. Some of the comments are so silly that one has to laugh and feel sorry for them i.e. like we were all Hindus before we converted to Islam. Specially this IGNORANT person he has nothing else in life to do other than dig dirt and blame it on Pakistan or Muslims in general. His aim in life is to spread misinformation and hate.
Just a comment on Mumbai attack about the spin from Indian Govt that attackers were looking for Americans and British. Then how come among the dead there were only 18 foreigners? It was another attempt by Indian Govt to get the sympathies of westerners, and divert the attention from the real cause, which we all know is the treatment of Muslims in India and especially the killings in Kashmir.
|
| Posted By:
MASUD
|
November 30, 2008 03:59:49 PM
|
|
|
|
And Oh Yes Vikram, believe me Pakistan IS INNOCENT especially in relevance to the current attacks in Mumbai...
If you ask me, you, Anjan Sengupta, TTV India and the whole of Indian media is soon going to be proved wrong, not by Pakistan or Bangladesh but by your own media and probably the media of the rest of the world.
As far as your "not visiting this site" in future is concerned, thats upto you. What we're doing here is NOT PROPAGANDA. it is neutral, unbiased reporting with complete reasoning and logic. And if the final investigations report proves that Pakistan had nothing to do with these attacks and your worst fears come true, there probably would be a reason for you not to visit this site again. But hey there, you're still welcome here. Jaadoo ki Jhappi awaits you upon the final solution of this mystery.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 03:56:56 PM
|
|
|
|
Vikram, sweetheart, here's what the piece of news says:
*************************************************
Initial reports indicated that Narayanan put in his papers, also taking blame for not anticipating the Mumbai attack, but Manmohan Singh rejected his resignation, official sources said.******************************************
I had pasted the link for you there. And just so that you wouldn't disagree with me any further, i put in the link of an Indian website. Read the whole thing. Narayan HAD put in his papers for resignation -- that they were rejected by the PM is a different story. But at the time he'd filed in his resignation, there were news that he had resigned. I hope i won't have to re-iterate it for you. Best of luck in future developments with the Mumbai attacks investigations. I just hope both sides don't suffer any more than they have already suffered.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 03:38:14 PM
|
|
|
|
And coming to Narayan, the article mentioned clearly says that, "there are reports that he offered" but how reliable those reports were??? who knows?
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 03:25:17 PM
|
|
|
|
I ll not your theory of being Pakistan a peaceful state. I believe no one is innocent in this game. if you are adamant, then no use of further discussion.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 03:19:06 PM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram: N.K.Narayan HAD resigned, however, his resignation was "REJECTED" by the PM Manmohan Singh.
http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-53806.html
Also, who told you Wadhawa Singh, Paramjit Singh and for that matter Dawood Ibrahim are in Pakistan? Again the Indian Media? or some other media?
People like these don't have a home, they're nomads. Plus, India was their first home, so who's producing them?
I still stand firm on my claim that Pakistan is a peaceful country, and has NEVER initiated a war. Each time, India was the one to ignite/initiate war. Tamil Tigers in SriLanka, Separatists in Tibet - all hail from India.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 03:00:16 PM
|
|
|
|
@HQ: And for Pakistan being a peaceful country, I ll not go far, just look for the present location of Wadhawa Singh, Paramjit Singh Panjwar and Dawood, technically all Indian citizens.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 02:48:29 PM
|
|
|
|
@HQ: while going back to your comments, N K Marayan has not resigned, at least so far. Which media gave that news? Indian? or someone else?
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 02:45:25 PM
|
|
|
|
@Shahzad Masood: I totally agree with you. No one is innocent in this game. And of course, not only there are bad guys in my country, they have occupied high profile posts. You know very well about whom i m talking about. No matter what any indian 'll do justify that, it ll be impossible. My purpose is to be here is just to confront one sided propaganda, that propaganda, if you ll see from neutral angle, can see easily. Otherwise, at the end, I m sure, this propaganda ll not produce any result, than producing more haters for pakistan and vice versa. And most probably, very soon i ll stop visiting this site.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 02:37:09 PM
|
|
|
|
Guys! Please show some sort of muturity. @ ISI- Don't behaive like Indian media atleast. @ ANJAN SENGUPTA: It was not Baglihar dam which got bombed it was voler Barrage; Barrages are always more dangerous as they divert water instead of blocking and we all know that no dam can have infinite amount of water stored. Next, I think every country has some internal problems. Like Pakistan is busy to fight its extremist so India must also look at their site. If we have some bad guys in 170 million people how come India don't have any bad one in 1200 million people? Peace is only way forward. Let investigation complete and everything will come into black and white. Don't try to jump on conclusion as your media did.As far as liberation of Bluchistan is concerned; I have a bad news for you. One of RAW's stooge in Blushistan Suleman Daud is running to London.
|
| Posted By:
Shahzad Masood
|
November 30, 2008 02:30:58 PM
|
|
|
|
@HQ: And moreover i don't see that Anjan crosses line at any time.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 02:24:43 PM
|
|
|
|
Nevermind Vikram. The thing is, a man is known by the words he speaks.
Also, why keep fighting ISI when you have other comments by me and Mr. Syed to respond to? is it because you WANT to get personal with him? Its best to ignore such comments and report them to the Webmaster. The webmaster must be occupied otherwise usually he would delete all offensive material. Nevertheless, i have reported all such posts to him, hopefully he'll take action ASAP.
However, I would like to request everyone who posts here regularly to discuss the ongoing topic only and avoid hanky panky.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 02:22:32 PM
|
|
|
|
H Q : I have policy to take on the person according to he/she is. Before that, if you really want, you can go through my comments in other articles. But some stupids make the situations such that you are forced to cross the line. And you can see who was the first to start. And in some other article one SniperKhan made the vulgar comment, the WEBMASTER has not deleted that so far.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 02:14:54 PM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan Gupta & Vikram Narang: I expected better from you two. The three of you need to grow up. Kindly avoid racist/fascist comments. No religion teaches racism, so Vikram, please don't try to be smart.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 02:11:46 PM
|
|
|
|
@ISI: Before you comment here, remember you are representing your country, your nation. This is a professional platform to discuss facts, politics and events, not to pull each other's legs and act paranoid. Kindly behave.
@Anjan Gupta & Vikram Narang: I expected better from you two.
The three of you need to grow up. Kindly avoid racist/fascist comments.
No religion teaches racism, so Vikram, please don't try to be smart.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 02:10:50 PM
|
|
|
|
We had the dream once in 1970, and realized in 1971. If they love you so much then why you were kicked out at that time. Or you may have talks with your dear bengali bothers regain the lost pakistani pride. Or jo tu rand di gall kar reha..I m more fair than half of you pakistani..i know very well the color of people in pakistan other than punjab. And for your kind information i m from punjab too...moreover color doesn't matter to me, its just showing your racist attitude..may be its Islam that teaches you racism..i dont know...
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 01:57:53 PM
|
|
|
|
go and get help from your coward shivsena, bajrang dal and from hindutwa cowards. they are same shit like u vikram narang. u are burning your country from inside and destroying india. very good.:-)
NORTH WAZIRISTAN ( 2008-11-30 17:07:55 ) :Local tribesmen, while condemning blame game by India against Pakistan, have urged the government to shift the army from tribal belt and fully concentrate on Easter border of the country.
Addressing a joint press conference here on Sunday, tribal elders, elite and Maliks assured the government of full protection of western borders of by country by three million tribesmen.
“Government should rely on tribesmen over protection of western borders and give them a chance to fight any one daring to cross border with nefarious designs,” the tribesmen added.
Those who addressed the press conference included Malik Muhammad Afzal Khan Darpakhel, Malik Gul Akbar Khan, Malik Habibullah, Malik Haji Hazratullah, Malik Qismat Khan Kabulkhel, Malik Usman and Malik Abdul Qadir.
The tribesmen strongly criticised India for putting the blame of Mumbai carnage on Pakistan without showing any solid evidence. They said it seemed that a conspiracy has been hatched for blaming Pakistan and its people.
The tribesmen assured the government that they are ready for rendering any sort of sacrifice for the protection of the motherland and will not let the nation down in case their services were required.
The tribesmen also requested the government to stop operation in Fata and restore the confidence of tribal people on state.
The tribesmen warned India and all those elements trying to destabilize Pakistan that any adventure would meet strong resistance by Pak army and the valiant tribesmen.
|
| Posted By:
ISI
|
November 30, 2008 01:54:37 PM
|
|
|
|
Pakistan. Bengalis are our brothers. and they hate u indian. if you are indian they will kick your ass in dhaka. so keep dreaming about ISI,ISI,ISI. you deserve more nightamre in your country. because you hindus are the worst hypocrite people in the world. you were screwed up by pakistanis in 1965. so dont bark like a dog. your chicken army will not do anything because they are COWARDS. so stop dreaming about breaking up pakistan. apne lie tayar raho. because i will promise. u hindus will be again our slaves. u are best under muslim rule. u dont deserve to have india. Pakistan when the first hindu converted to islam. so shuttup vikram narang hindu black face bania. you have same colour in your heart as your face.
|
| Posted By:
ISI
|
November 30, 2008 01:50:51 PM
|
|
|
|
O ISI ki nazayaz aulad..ye jo tum ne muslim muslim laga rakhi hai na, bhool gaye ki tumahre EAST PAKISTAN mai tumahre apne pyare muslim bhai logon ne hi ASS_KICK kiya tha..India ki fikar chhodo..Balochistan ke liye tiar raho...
Or jis hakoomat ki baat kar rahe ho, bewkoof aadhe se jyada to tum hindu converts ho..Hum vo hai jo us Muslim tyranny ko resist karne me safal rahe..or tum mai se aadhe vo hain jo kayar dar ke muslim ban gaye..so STFUp..The 70s are coming again, when u people used to talk abt RAW all time..
@WEBMASTER: I dont care you delete my comment or account..if you ll this dumb ISI people to use this wording, then dont expect anything else from us.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 30, 2008 01:31:58 PM
|
|
|
|
akhir tum ne apni auqat dikhai hai. maain ne nahin. tumhari assliyat agai. tum jese log kamine log ho. yeho tumhari bemari hai aur problem hai. hum ne tumpar 1000 saal hakomat ki. so time is coming. there are muslims in india who will break up india. so slap your self.
|
| Posted By:
ISI
|
November 30, 2008 11:53:07 AM
|
|
|
|
@ISI - "aakhir aukaat aur zabaan dono dikha diyaa aapne". I am neither black nor a baniya ... but that is another matter. You can do nothing - nor can you bomb the dams. Hamid Gul said - that his mujahidden had bombed the Baglihar dam so badly that it can not be constructed again .. well, guess what - the stupid Gen was WRONG !!
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
November 30, 2008 10:37:25 AM
|
|
|
|
@ISI - Dont be naive. This time there is a captured terrorist and he has been given access to Brits / US / Israeli intelligence personnel and we all know a thing or two to get proper intel from captured guys - however good they may initially be at "disinformation". All roads look to specialized "institutional" training. More on that later. WE WILL JUST STOP SENDING WATERS FROM KASHMIR. Nothing more needs to be done .... and then maybe release the whole lot and flood. :)
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
November 30, 2008 07:08:12 AM
|
|
|
|
There you go! India's National Security Advisor "N.K.Narayan" has also resigned. The second block has fallen off the wall..... Just as I had anticipated!
Best of luck to all Indian Patriots.
"Pakistan has always stood by its claim of Peace and shall always remain a peace-loving country. Those who try to paint it as a terrorist country shall themselves fall prey to their evil designs."- H.Q.
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 05:50:26 AM
|
|
|
|
@Anjan Sengupta: Anjan saahab, kyun "Anjaan" bantay ho?
The fact that these attacks came just a few weeks prior to your elections is not merely coincidental. Reminds me of your movie Sarkar, where even the elder son was turned against his father by the Swami and his cronies. The thing is, before you point a finger at others, you must be clear within. India needs to realise this. As i mentioned earlier, as true Indian patriots, you people need to fight the evil within - the dark side of India. As this mystery unravels, things will become clear.
I do understand that at times it is bitter to digest harsh realities. So fine, if you guys feel better feeling that Pakistan was behind the attacks, so be it. But keep one thing in mind, Pakistan will not benefit at all out of this episode, however, BJP has a lot to reap after sowing this seed.
"tumko maaloom hai BJP ki haqeeqat lekin,
dil kay behlaanay ko 'Anjaan' yeh khayaal acha hai"
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 03:50:33 AM
|
|
|
|
@Vikram Narang: Facts are facts and cannot be denied on the basis of your likes and dislikes. What the writer has stated here is not a "theory", its a combination of "facts". Also, to prove his "theory", the first block has already fallen of the wall. Your Home Minister Shivraj Patel has already resigned. More resignations are yet to come. Just wait and watch like a true indian, not a true "anti-pakistani". Biased thinking is appropriate when things are comparatively headed to nowhere. In this case however, realities are pointing towards Hindu extremists. Also, to get a neutral opinion in this regard, stop watching Indian Channels, they've lost their minds, completely!
|
| Posted By:
H Q
|
November 30, 2008 03:38:46 AM
|
|
|
|
India needs an Unprejudiced Army
There must have been more than red faces among the Indian Army’s top brass this week after the cold blooded assassination of the Head of Police AntiTerrorism Unit Hemant Karkare, during the recent Mumbai carnage – he was shot in the back. It was revealed few weeks back that that a senior Indian Army officer, Lt Col Shrikant Prasad Purohit, had a hand in funding a deadly terrorist attack in late September. The Mumbai mayhem has indeed diverted attention from the Malegaon blast case where Lt Colonel Shrikant Purohit of Indian Army was implicated and the military explosive RDX was used in Samjhauta blast; his case was under investigation by Karkare who was shot from behind in Mumbai blasts
That the Indian Army is a revered institution – is it seems a burning question now. The military supposedly the only bastion left against the creeping Hindu extremism that has for long infiltrated much of India’s government is under limelight of deep suspicion and will have to come forward with a clean slate and expose the extremist elements that have permeated its ranks.
Indian army’s impartiality was experienced in 2002, when troops were airlifted into Gujarat to resolve one of the ugliest communal violence in democratic India’s recent history. The Indian Army deployment was purportedly delayed by the nationalist BJP Government to give Hindus a chance to unleash revenge against the Muslims. Sadly so the Indian Army was charged with cleaning up after Gujarat’s notoriously anti-Muslim police force failed to prevent the communal slaughter.
With memories of Gujarat’s state-complicit massacres still fresh in the collective memory, it’s no wonder that the allegations against Lt-Col Purohit have sparked such concern. Frequent acts of terror over the past several years, such as the bombing in the Mulslim-majority town of Malegaon that killed 37 people in September, are a reminder that such escalating horrors are never too far off.
Given the army’s crucial domestic role, Lt-Col Purohit’s arrest should serve as a timely wake-up call to a military leadership that may have been too obsessed with events across the border in Pakistan to see what was happening in its own ranks. A politicized military is always to be avoided, but such ideological contamination is particularly dangerous in a nation where the army is frequently used as a stopgap for ham-fisted or brutally biased law enforcement.
The recent events in Mumbai have given rise to serious concerns and fears that Lt-Col Purohit is part of a large Hindu terrorist organization that has presence in state organizations with political backing across India and has been functioning for years with the assistance or understandable indifference of the corrupt local police forces. For India’s sake as well as its own reputation, the Indian army needs to purge its ranks.
Syed
Karachi
|
| Posted By:
Syed
|
November 30, 2008 12:11:15 AM
|
|
|
|
What to talk about this specifically, almost all of his theories are as strong as the presence of ether. But ultimately, he is NOTHING(other a good story-maker and his combination with Zaid Hamid ll make a good team of BHANDS{pakistani will be aware of this word, its inseparable part of their culture}) and his views will not alter the truth.
|
| Posted By:
Vikram Narang
|
November 29, 2008 08:57:37 PM
|
|
|
|
Not that this did not cross the mind. However Hemant's death seems accidental in the larger picture. What is important this time, we have a captured militant who will be given / has been given access to foreign intelligence agencies. Hence your theory will be proven wrong in due course.
|
| Posted By:
ANJAN SENGUPTA
|
November 29, 2008 07:11:32 PM
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
Print | 
Email to friend 
